Yes. So what does scripture state on how we become righteous?
Is becoming righteous the equivalent of attaining eternal life and/or gaining entrance into the kingdom of God and/or being "justified"? If so, then the list is huge. Not sure about a list that's more focused specifically on becoming righteous. Maybe I'll work on that, later. Meanwhile, here are a few ways to stay out of hell (the ultimate prize for any of the above!):
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. -- Romans 10:9
If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. -- John 8:51
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.-- Luke 18:29-30
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. -- Acts 2:38
He that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. -- Galatians 6:8
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. -- Matthew 10:37
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. -- Luke 14:26
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. -- Romans 3:28
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. -- James 2:24
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Yes. So what does scripture state on how we become righteous?
So weres the scripture that condems a baby to hell. i havent seen it yet.
Hope God has some mercy on you since you dont want to have mercy on babies.
I think austin answered it nicely.
Here is also a question. Since the baby has committed no transgression of the law would he need a sacrifice?
Because Jesus was the sacrifice for all sins, If the child who has been aborted or died in early years, the question is what sin has the baby committed in order to be redeemed from it?
its not my opinion im just dealing with a carnal minded person who cant grasp the fact a baby has committed no sin, and thus for some reason you deem fit to send it to hell.
Hell was created for the fallen angels. Lake of fire was created for the wicked. Now what wickedness has a baby done?
I'm not saying that children are lost, but I would like to know what this verse means. I cor 7 :24, For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy?
Is becoming righteous the equivalent of attaining eternal life and/or gaining entrance into the kingdom of God and/or being "justified"? If so, then the list is huge. Not sure about a list that's more focused specifically on becoming righteous. Maybe I'll work on that, later. Meanwhile, here are a few ways to stay out of hell (the ultimate prize for any of the above!):
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. -- Romans 10:9
If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. -- John 8:51
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.-- Luke 18:29-30
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. -- Acts 2:38
He that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. -- Galatians 6:8
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. -- Matthew 10:37
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. -- Luke 14:26
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. -- Romans 3:28
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. -- James 2:24
1Peter3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.
Can an infant perform what is required to obtain righteousness at an age of infancy? If not, he is rendered unrighteous.
Before receiving God's righteousness we were dead in trespasses and sins. Unless a person is converted, they remain a sinner (Ephesians:1-3).
There are two classifications, righteous or unrighteous.
Paul also states in Ephesians 2:3, ....And were by nature the children of wrath..." It's is by nature, even at birth, we are children of wrath. There is only one remedy for that, the man Christ Jesus.
Last edited by Jacob's Ladder; 06-04-2011 at 12:48 PM.
So weres the scripture that condems a baby to hell. i havent seen it yet.
Hope God has some mercy on you since you dont want to have mercy on babies.
I think austin answered it nicely.
Here is also a question. Since the baby has committed no transgression of the law would he need a sacrifice?
Because Jesus was the sacrifice for all sins, If the child who has been aborted or died in early years, the question is what sin has the baby committed in order to be redeemed from it?
its not my opinion im just dealing with a carnal minded person who cant grasp the fact a baby has committed no sin, and thus for some reason you deem fit to send it to hell.
Hell was created for the fallen angels. Lake of fire was created for the wicked. Now what wickedness has a baby done?
Your casting stones at babies dude,
As soon as you began answering the questions I've asked you, I'll be more than happy to respond to yours.
I've already answered a few of your questions, read back through the threads. You keep asking more question and refuse to answer mine. If you give answers you'll receive them. Again, please refer to scripture when answering my questions. Thank you.
So weres the scripture that condems a baby to hell. i havent seen it yet.
Hope God has some mercy on you since you dont want to have mercy on babies.
I think austin answered it nicely.
Here is also a question. Since the baby has committed no transgression of the law would he need a sacrifice?
Because Jesus was the sacrifice for all sins, If the child who has been aborted or died in early years, the question is what sin has the baby committed in order to be redeemed from it?
its not my opinion im just dealing with a carnal minded person who cant grasp the fact a baby has committed no sin, and thus for some reason you deem fit to send it to hell.
Hell was created for the fallen angels. Lake of fire was created for the wicked. Now what wickedness has a baby done?
Your casting stones at babies dude,
Here are two questions. You can search for the others on this thread. I'm leaving in a few and will return later.
Please solely answer the two questions only. Thank you.
Psalms 58:3
These wicked people are born sinners; even from birth they have lied and gone their own way.
Please describe David's comment of "people are born sinners."
David states in Psalms 51:5, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
For several years about 3 or 4 of us guys would meet for breakfast and prayer on Friday mornings before going into work at General Electric. One was a Lutheran who believed that babies who were aborted went to hell because they were not baptized. It was a diverse group and we respected one another's opinions and did not argue over doctrinal differences.
I remember reading somewhere that a strict Calvinist said that children who were not among "the elect" were nothing more than "little vipers" in the sight of God. I cannot remember the person' s name or where I read this.
Here are two questions. You can search for the others on this thread. I'm leaving in a few and will return later.
Please solely answer the two questions only. Thank you.
Psalms 58:3
These wicked people are born sinners; even from birth they have lied and gone their own way.
Please describe David's comment of "people are born sinners."
David states in Psalms 51:5, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
What did David mean by "I was sinful at birth?'
jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Hmm a sanctified baby..
luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb
o look this one wasnt even baptized or repented of his sins yet> He has the HOLY GHOST. so if he was like david how could he ever have The Spirit of the Lord, He would be a unclean temple....
Now lets look at the context Psalms 51
This entire psalms comes as a lament because Nathaniel the prophet of God has just told david you have commited adultry
He is drowning in sorrows, so he is dealing with his wickedness, and he states surely i was sinful from my time of birth.
By the Law david should have been stoned, and he knew it, but God granted Him forgivness. and he stated surely this sinfulness started at Birth.
This is agreement with what we have all stated, that every Baby will eventually act on their sinful nature. doesnt mean a baby commits sin. (again how can it)
It has no understanding of what sins even are. But the nature to be sinful is there.
psalms 58:3
this is a song
look at it closely. the pslamist stated the wicked from birth go astray.
well who does he consider the wicked? cause he puts a difference between the rightous and the wicked in the entire psalm
Look at this verse
pslams 58
10 The righteous will be glad when they are avenged,
when they dip their feet in the blood of the wicked.
11 Then people will say,
“Surely the righteous still are rewarded;
surely there is a God who judges the earth.”
He is speaking of His enemies, he is talking either about wicked men out to get Him or he is talking about other nations around israel.
Why didnt he state anything about the rightous people being wicked from birth to? wouldnt there be no different according to you sense, all babies are wicked.
No this psalm is about the enemies of rightousness, and how they are taught from child birth up to be wicked filled with lies and deciet.
He even makes a commit how he wished they would have been like a still born.
(Note) he didnt call the still born wicked.
For several years about 3 or 4 of us guys would meet for breakfast and prayer on Friday mornings before going into work at General Electric. One was a Lutheran who believed that babies who were aborted went to hell because they were not baptized. It was a diverse group and we respected one another's opinions and did not argue over doctrinal differences.
I remember reading somewhere that a strict Calvinist said that children who were not among "the elect" were nothing more than "little vipers" in the sight of God. I cannot remember the person' s name or where I read this.
personally i would have found some other company. Cause there are some doctrinal views like that i wont budge on. and i dont even consider it a doctrinal view at all. I consider it common sense.
if the Lord is a respector of persons which the bible declares Him as.
How come we the living Got a chance at eternal Life but those babies who have barely seen the Light of day and not even committed a willful act of sin, not have that chance.
Its Like the Lord said, These people wouldnt be guilty of sin, unless He came and preached to them.
This is Jesus talking to the Jews. we know they were sinners, Yet jesus declares they would not be guilty of sin if he hadnt come.
Now how can a baby be guilty of sin, when he doesnt know what Sin is? Or even the fact ever committing any sin? why would the Lord who takes pleasure in His creation, who gave the breathe of Life to it to begin with, condem it because it died as a baby ?
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