Not Meant to Die and go to Heaven - Page 5

Truthseeker · #41 02-25-2011, 04:17 PM

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Yeah, dimensions sorta like this:

Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, (18) May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; (19) And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

good one

Digging4Truth · #42 02-25-2011, 05:26 PM

So Brother Blume...

Have we just seen a few glimpses of your next book?

mfblume · #43 02-26-2011, 03:23 PM

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So Brother Blume...

Have we just seen a few glimpses of your next book?

No. My next one is Vol. 2 of the first. That should be out soon now.

Digging4Truth · #44 02-26-2011, 07:17 PM

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No. My next one is Vol. 2 of the first. That should be out soon now.

Well let us know when it is out.

Maybe this subject can be the third book.

Falla39 · #45 02-27-2011, 06:23 AM

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and we are now the new creation.

And this is how all things are being made new! One New-birth at a time!
Today we are having multiply births Things are speeding up, it seems! lol

2Cor. 5:17
Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Falla39

kclee4jc · #46 02-27-2011, 06:43 AM

This is really interesting. Is this part of what is termed "Kingdom Now" theology or "Dominionism". Secondly, do you believe in the rapture?

Falla39 · #47 02-27-2011, 06:46 AM

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The curse of the Law was not the curse from the Garden for man to return to dust. Thank God He is restoring us fully to pre-fall existence, part of which includes an immortal body as Adam originally had!

I heard my late pastor father say, "It looks like to me we're headed back to the garden"! He was a tremendous student of the Word. Dad's been gone 21 yrs.

Falla39

mfblume · #48 02-27-2011, 01:06 PM

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This is really interesting. Is this part of what is termed "Kingdom Now" theology or "Dominionism".

No. Kingdom now is a variation of futurism which teaches we shall determine when Jesus comes back by getting ourselves into political parties and taking over the world, and then Jesus comes. Kingdom Now teaches we determine the time of the second coming. I strongly oppose that. We do not vie for political power like KINGDOM NOW teaches, but spiritually pray and believe God for influence in the world.

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Secondly, do you believe in the rapture?

YES! But the rapture will not take us to heaven forevermore, but give us immortal bodies with which to rule the earth forevermore... and who knows.. maybe the physical universe!

mfblume · #49 02-27-2011, 01:06 PM

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Well let us know when it is out.

Maybe this subject can be the third book.

Amen. It is a powerful topic!

Apprehended · #50 02-27-2011, 02:55 PM

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Many respond to the question of why God created us by saying something like it being for His pleasure, and for Him to love us, etc. And when asked about our utmost goal of all goals, it is to die and go to Heaven. I DISAGREE! lol

The very first chapter of the Bible (significant) says God made man to have dominion on the earth and to subdue it. THAT IS IT!

To restore us to where we fell from, God would not have us die and go to Heaven. We fell from having dominion over the earth.

Yes, if we die we will go to Heaven. However, NOT FOREVER, though. Shocked? Think about it. THERE IS A RESURRECTION COMING in which we will once again abide in our EARTH SUITS called BODIES which are not made for Heaven or the unseen realm. Only, we will never die physically again.

God made us to have dominion on earth. Satan fell from heaven, not man. So dying and going to heaven is not our utmost goal.

Thoughts?

I see where you are coming from and I do not necessarily disagree except that I think there is something more to the creation of man than what you described above...your very good thought notwithstanding.

I've made mention in some of my preaching and teaching that the very highest ambition of God from the beginning which was thwarted by sin and rebellion is for fellowship with his men, with whom he can walk and talk. God's greatest delight before his great disappointment (though he knew the end from the beginning) was his coming down in the cool of the evening, calling to Adam for a walk and time of sharing and fellowship. I'm sure Adam looked forward to it also.

Sin broke that fellowship. From that day to this, God has been working to restore man back to a level of brilliant, light filled holiness that he can then realize his highest and most cherished ambition as seen in the back of the book, at near the conclusion of all that is said and done:

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.

Since the earth is given to men forever, Jesus will return to live with his beloved in sweet and divine fellowship upon an earth already restore back to its original pristine condition where all death, even in the animal and plant life, will be forever abolished by those to whom the earth is given...the true children of God. For the whole earth groan is travail waiting on the manifested work of the sons of God to come to that level of truth and holiness that such an effect might manifest. Heaven must retain him until the times of restitution of all things lost by Adam and his bride through disobedience yet to be restored by the last Adam and His bride through obedience.