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02-18-2011, 05:05 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Well, since we are deciding about women preachers maybe we can decide if we can own slaves....
'Servants, be obedient unto your masters.'
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I see nothing wrong with having employees or servants if you can afford to pay them properly.
As a Christian we should treat them well, better than average even for the sake of the Gospel.
The slavery that happened in America is historically different than the context in which Paul talks about slavery.
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02-18-2011, 06:06 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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The slavery that happened in America is historically different than the context in which Paul talks about slavery.
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Elucidate please.
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02-18-2011, 06:27 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
Gee, I hope I never get asked to "elucidate". I don't know what that means. Could someone explain this, please?
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02-18-2011, 06:36 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Well, since we are deciding about women preachers maybe we can decide if we can own slaves....
'Servants, be obedient unto your masters.'
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This thread made me think of something I heard a Mexican American comedian say one time. He said that when he became successful and had made a lot of money he bought his parents a home with a garden out front then he hired white people to pick the lettuce so his parents could sit on their front porch and sip iced tea while watching white people pick their lettuce. LOL.
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02-18-2011, 07:44 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
Gee, I hope I never get asked to "elucidate". I don't know what that means. Could someone explain this, please?
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...a more thorough (sp) explanation...
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02-18-2011, 09:35 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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I haven't been involved with the discussions you are referring to but the point you appear to be making here is that certain parts of the Bible are outdated?
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Imagine Paul had told the slaves to leave their masters and Masters to free their slaves. What kind of turmoil do you think that would have brought on the church world wide (through out the Roman empire) when other slaves saw what was happening?
Also being "set free" did not make those slaves necessarily free. Some other slave owner could take then and he might be very wicked
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02-18-2011, 09:37 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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Originally Posted by houston
...a more thorough (sp) explanation...
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Indeed.
Shed more light... etc.
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02-18-2011, 09:41 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
I see nothing wrong with having employees or servants if you can afford to pay them properly.
As a Christian we should treat them well, better than average even for the sake of the Gospel.
The slavery that happened in America is historically different than the context in which Paul talks about slavery.
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Roman slaves were not employees
http://www.hadrians.com/rome/romans/...an_slaves.html
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-18-2011, 09:42 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
somebody needs to know what slaves were back in those days....
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02-18-2011, 09:42 PM
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Re: Do you believe we should own slaves?
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Indeed.
Shed more light... etc.
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Oh, so it means, "Could someone explain this to me, please?". So, I have been elucidated. Thank you for the elucidation education. 
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