The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What I actually said was the FLOW of this forum is anti Oneness. Meaning that if one looks at posts that ARE made concerning the Godhead MANY of them are anti Oneness. We have Trinitarians, Arians hammering away at peoples faith. Some that were Oneness are not any more.

The anti's are very vocal and if one actually DOES READ threads on the Godhead you see that they are getting more amens all the time.

So my initial statement was not even that the majority of people here are anti Oneness. It was that the FLOW of the Forum is. I think my poll showed its worse than I actually thought tho.

We now have Oneness believers who wont confess Jesus is God the Father. This is the saddest thing that has come to light.

Confessing that Jesus is, or is not, God the Father has nothing to do with salvation.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I like you, Mike.

Thanks

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What I actually said was the FLOW of this forum is anti Oneness. Meaning that if one looks at posts that ARE made concerning the Godhead MANY of them are anti Oneness. We have Trinitarians, Arians hammering away at peoples faith. Some that were Oneness are not any more.

The anti's are very vocal and if one actually DOES READ threads on the Godhead you see that they are getting more amens all the time.

So my initial statement was not even that the majority of people here are anti Oneness. It was that the FLOW of the Forum is. I think my poll showed its worse than I actually thought tho.

We now have Oneness believers who wont confess Jesus is God the Father. This is the saddest thing that has come to light.

When my 17 year old is this thick I understand it...

What's your excuse?

There have always been Oneness believers that would deny your formula.
No matter how many times you claim otherwise the fact remains.

Bratt identified you correctly as Jesus Only.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Actually, it doesn't matter if one views Jesus as the Father or not. It's not a salvation issue.

It's just something to argue about.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What I actually said was the FLOW of this forum is anti Oneness. Meaning that if one looks at posts that ARE made concerning the Godhead MANY of them are anti Oneness. We have Trinitarians, Arians hammering away at peoples faith. Some that were Oneness are not any more.

The anti's are very vocal and if one actually DOES READ threads on the Godhead you see that they are getting more amens all the time.

So my initial statement was not even that the majority of people here are anti Oneness. It was that the FLOW of the Forum is. I think my poll showed its worse than I actually thought tho.

We now have Oneness believers who wont confess Jesus is God the Father. This is the saddest thing that has come to light.

Arians? Are we on the same forum?

ANTI-oneness? I haven't heard much of that at all.

Views on justification and salvation -- much more heated debate on that. But godhead? Really?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Arians? Are we on the same forum?

ANTI-oneness? I haven't heard much of that at all.

Views on justification and salvation -- much more heated debate on that. But godhead? Really?

Yes, where are those Arians?

Proof once again he has no clue what he is babbling about.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Yes, where are those Arians?

Proof once again he has no clue what he is babbling about.

I dunno, but maybe, just maybe, he could be referring to me. Some have said I'm Arian but I really don't know what that means, so maybe I am or maybe I'm not.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I dunno, but maybe, just maybe, he could be referring to me. Some have said I'm Arian but I really don't know what that means, so maybe I am or maybe I'm not.

Assuming you are that makes up about .0007 percent of the forum.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I dunno, but maybe, just maybe, he could be referring to me. Some have said I'm Arian but I really don't know what that means, so maybe I am or maybe I'm not.

WIKI (I'm too lazy):
Arianism is the theological teaching attributed to Arius (ca. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter from Alexandria, Egypt, concerning the relationship of the entities of the Trinity ('God the Father', 'God the Son' and 'God the Holy Spirit') and the precise nature of the Son of God.

It was the Arians that provoked the Council of Nicea and an official creed that articulated a description of the godhead, named by Tertullian, "the Trinity."

Arian BELIEF (WIKI - Yup, still lazy):
God the Father ("unbegotten"), always existing, was separate from the lesser Jesus Christ ("only-begotten"), born before time began and creator of the world. The Father, working through the Son, created the Holy Spirit, who was subservient to the Son as the Son was to the Father. The Father was seen as "the only true God". First Corinthians 8:5-8:6 was cited as proof text:

Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth — as in fact there are many gods and many lords — yet for us there is one God (Gk. theos - θεος), the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord (kyrios - κυριος), Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
—NRSV

Arian's, in essence, seemed to deny the divinity of Jesus -- a heretical propagation.

But you're a "seeker" man, what do we expect? We can cut some slack!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Falla39

2Cor.5:19
To wit,(or to know) that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
John 1:1,2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Words was made flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father.
Col.1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The One sitting on the Throne (JESUS) is the ONLY image that will ever be
seen. No man has seen GOD at any time. The only glimpse of GOD that JESUS
disciples saw, was in the Face of Jesus Christ. That is also the only way we
will ever see GOD will be HIS GLORY in the face of JESUS, and if anyone sees
HIM today, it will be HIS Glory shining out of the faces of HIS people today.
He that lives within will shine forth.

Falla39

I Corinthians 15:24-28

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

These verses are hardly ever talked about in Apostolic circles. Over 30 years of being in this movement, and I have yet to hear someone truly expound on these over the pulpit.

Some say the Son, Jesus, will exist forever as God. These Scriptures seem to say otherwise; for God to be "All in All" He must exit this limited form.

To be honest, this whole subject is so far above human comprehension, for anyone to claim they "KNOW" is not only ignorant, it's plain wrong. We've got people claiming they understand the Godhead, but can't even pay their bills!

A Being that speaks and Galaxies are formed is beyond me!!