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Old 07-17-2007, 10:50 AM
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:52 AM
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So, elder, the Chinese women working in the rice paddies many years before the English-speaking peoples began wearing pants, wore pants to entice the men as well?

Lust is not generic, elder. Some men are more excited about the possibility of what they cannot see, than what is clearly evidenced by form-fitting apparel.
Oh my Lord - you have that right! I change that to "most" men.

But, I still think men like a dress/skirt on a woman - by choice.
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:01 AM
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That is very true! However, I would change that to say that most men just want someone who is more "lady-like" than not.
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:04 AM
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That is very true! However, I would change that to say that most men just want someone who is more "lady-like" than not.
True, I agree, but I know they would prefer that "lady" in a dress/skirt.
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:13 AM
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You tell me.

I was referring to the turning away from 19th century Western cultural norms.



Some.

This is why a set of rules alone won't work. People need to be careful to regard their own intentions and the reactions of those who observe them, with their hearts set to be holy to God, and to show His love. The trouble begins when people follow rules without adopting the rules, the underlying principles, and the love with which we are to show holiness, into their hearts.

So is the "standard" cultural?

BTW, I agree completely with the last paragraph of your post.
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:15 AM
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Now, as to Jacob, what was going on with the brother when he didn't know who he was going to bed with??????

Serves him right....
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:23 AM
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Now, as to Jacob, what was going on with the brother when he didn't know who he was going to bed with??????

Serves him right....
Was he drunk or something?
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:44 AM
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Modesty is important for both men and women right? And trousers were not common apparel for either men or women in Biblical times, right? Well, men have more visible pieces/parts below the waist... why is it modest for them to wear something MORE form-fitting. Even the baggiest trousers are more form-fitting than a robe. If baggy trousers are modest for men, then why aren't they modest for women? Is it because you can see daylight between their legs? If so, why isn't the same immodest for men?

Perhaps the 'pants' issue isn't all about modesty. Perhaps many view pants as distinctively male clothing, and dresses/skirts as distinctively female clothing, and therefore they conclude that women ought not to wear pants, and men ought not to wear dresses/skirts.

As for modesty, whatever a person wears ought to be modest, meaning it ought not to accentuate the form so as to draw undue attention to it, whether pants, skirts, dresses, or whatever.
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So when I destroy the gender distinction issue, it becomes about modesty... but when I destroy the modesty issue, it becomes about gender distinction?
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So when I destroy the gender distinction issue, it becomes about modesty... but when I destroy the modesty issue, it becomes about gender distinction?
If you've destroyed them, why are they still issues?
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