That's just it. My rights aren't the governments to pick and chose which of the inalienable rights they will alienate today under the guise of safety.
Benjamin Franklin had it ever so right.
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
If fear or afraid falls into this situation it is this... I would say to the government "I'm afraid my rights aren't yours to take."
You do not have a Constitutional right to fly, drive, etc. Driving is a previledge. The option to fly is a service rendered by the airline. By choosing to fly, you're choosing to abide by aviation security standards. It's YOUR choice. You can rent a private plane or drive if you're unhappy with the security measures.
inalinable is in the declaration not the constitution.
As much as I hate this and demand we get it fixed, Aquila is right. flying is not a right. when you purchace a ticket you agree to the terms set down to fly.
I do believe that while a private company can require very strict terms, I dont think the government has the same rights. our government is to protect us and is bound by the constitution.
So I think there is room here for challenge because the TSA is government.
Further, if these pat downs and magic nekked scanners were actually the best way to stop bad guys, I might be more inclined to agree. but they arent. they are just lazy and invasive methods.
the TSA and this government needs to be stopped.
It's not the government's job to protect the United States from enemies that seek to attack and kill civilians?
Please remember, we're still at war. It seems everyone has become comfortable. I'm a security access coordinator that primarily focuses on internal aviation security. When I report into work... it's 7:00am, September 11th every day. We can't allow it to happen again.
Yes, they are all of our inalienable rights. We can only choose to legally lay down our rights in a given situation voluntarily. When you choose to fly of your own free will and purchase tickets, you’re consenting to the policies and regulations governing the airlines. Just as a corporation has the authority to ban smoking or firearms on their campus, airlines and government has the power to require certain things of you when boarding planes belonging to the airline. It becomes a government issue when lives may be at stake.
It’s like the military… if you don’t want to surrender some of your liberties… don’t sign up. If you don’t want to be searched… don’t fly. It’s simple.
Oh, you can choose to rent a private plane service.
Over three thousand Americans died that day. Never again is our objective. And it’s harder than it looks to the peace loving passengers that have no idea what we’re protecting them from.
Really? If you only knew.
Maybe the TSA, BDO’s, FAM’s, and others should take a week’s vacation for a week and allow some local rent a cop agency to just make sure passengers board in an orderly fashion without being searched. Maybe the nightmare that would unfold will wake Americans up to the reality that we’re still at war.
I’m not saying that there have been absolutely no abuses. I’m not saying that perhaps various security agencies could do better to inform the population as to the why’s and how’s. I’m just saying that for the most part, various agencies are doing what has to be done to protect the airways.
The war within. The leftist extremists know what is best.
Note to self. wonder how many of these TSA's screeners are heavy into porn.
The gubment hires the bottom tier of talent. This will make it worse.
Quote:
Airport security screeners have some of the worst job turnover of federal workers despite a $100-million effort to improve salaries and work duties, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data shows.
One in five screeners left between Oct. 1, 2006, and Sept. 30, 2007, federal Office of Personnel Management figures show. The turnover rate was identical the year before. Attrition for the rest of the federal government was 8% in 2006-07.
"Twenty percent (turnover) is pretty high," former Homeland Security Department inspector general Clark Ervin says. "You want people who are as sharp and experienced as possible, and that's why it's a concern."
You do not have a Constitutional right to fly, drive, etc. Driving is a previledge. The option to fly is a service rendered by the airline. By choosing to fly, you're choosing to abide by aviation security standards. It's YOUR choice. You can rent a private plane or drive if you're unhappy with the security measures.
But do I have an inalienable right that I not have my person, property or home searched without proper warrant?
I still say there are better ways to search without being invasive. BETTER is always better.
these methods are just stupid.
I do not however agree that the word inalienable applies to constitutional rights. and I do undestand the point that when you buy a ticket, you are subect to the rules the company sets down. you effectvily submit to the search in purchasing the ticket and I beleive the supreme court has said as much.
however, that is for a private company. the federal government should have stricter rules for their own behavior.
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I still say there are better ways to search without being invasive. BETTER is always better.
these methods are just stupid.
I do not however agree that the word inalienable applies to constitutional rights. and I do undestand the point that when you buy a ticket, you are subect to the rules the company sets down. you effectvily submit to the search in purchasing the ticket and I beleive the supreme court has said as much.
however, that is for a private company. the federal government should have stricter rules for their own behavior.
Tax cheating is an example how the elite make rules for the little people.
I still say there are better ways to search without being invasive. BETTER is always better.
these methods are just stupid.
I do not however agree that the word inalienable applies to constitutional rights. and I do undestand the point that when you buy a ticket, you are subect to the rules the company sets down. you effectvily submit to the search in purchasing the ticket and I beleive the supreme court has said as much.
however, that is for a private company. the federal government should have stricter rules for their own behavior.
I'm willing to wager that in a lot of these cases of alleged "groping" it's TSA cowboys who are going too far. They need to be disciplined.
It's not the government's job to protect the United States from enemies that seek to attack and kill civilians?
Please remember, we're still at war. It seems everyone has become comfortable. I'm a security access coordinator that primarily focuses on internal aviation security. When I report into work... it's 7:00am, September 11th every day.
I didnt say that at all. it is one of the few things the government should do.
what I said is that the government has stricter standards for search than a private company has.
look at it this way.
If I say "President Smith is a stupid @*(@ #$%$% **&(( *(%^*" the federal government has no right to challenge me at all.
however, my employer can fire me for saying something that is not in keepign with thier private standards.
the same with the TSA. a private company can demand a far more strict search standard than the federal government can. the government must have probable cause. a company can say "if you fly with us, you have to submit to this search"
what we have right now is a very strange brew. it is a govenment/private company hybred that fails the sniff test.
that is very bad and dangerous to the republic.
but even more importantly, there are better methods of finding the bad guys. that is what bothers me.
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