Obama-Christian By Choice

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I don't really have a source that says YOU have.

Funny. So , is that all you got ? Really ? Childish rhetoric ? Yep, your a real contribution to the forum .

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by scotty

Funny. So , is that all you got ? Really ? Childish rhetoric ? Yep, your a real contribution to the forum .

Why thank you! I feel that way about myself, too, but I try my best to be humble. And it's "you're", not "your" in the way you used the word. You're welcome. Just wanna be a blessing. I added after I posted that President Obama professes his Christianity in the opening article that was posted.

My response that you don't like and called "Childish" contains a point if you think reeeeeeeaaaaaallllll hard. Give it a shot.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Why thank you! I feel that way about myself, too, but I try my best to be humble. And it's "you're", not "your" in the way you used the word. You're welcome. Just wanna be a blessing. I added after I posted that President Obama professes his Christianity in the opening article that was posted.

My response that you don't like and called "Childish" contains a point if you think reeeeeeeaaaaaallllll hard. Give it a shot.

I got it , but it was a moot point, more childishness.

Here are is what I found interesting, if your up for real discussion.

He proclaims to be a christian, but did you notice how he refers to it more often as just being a "guide" so to speak ?

"the precepts of Jesus Christ" helped him envision the kind of life he wanted to lead.

and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead - being my brothers' and sisters' keeper, treating others as they would treat me," he continued.

"And I think also understanding that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings, that we're sinful and we're flawed and we make mistakes, and that we achieve salvation through the ," Obama said. "But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other people and do our best to help them find their own grace."

Achieving salvation through the grace of God, is the best he has here, which is good. The rest seems to say he follows the examples of Jesus. In other words, not as the Son of God , but as a role model. The same could be said of Ghandi or your local school teacher. Many religions that do not believe Jesus was the Son of God still hold him up as a respected "teacher/role model" . Just seems like he broad brushed the topic to please everyone. But then again, thats his job, so its to be expected.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by scotty

Got a source ? Quote ? Just askin.

Greek Mythology
A young man (Narcissus) who pined away in worship and adoration for his own image in a pool of water and was transformed into the flower that bears his name.

Christianity elevates Jehovah.
Secular humanism elevates man.

Farrakhan on Obama: 'The Messiah is absolutely speaking'

[scotty]

Originally Posted by coadie

Farrakhan on Obama: 'The Messiah is absolutely speaking'

Thats just freaky .

[coadie]

"I've always been a christian"
Obama

In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, "I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known

I see contradiction

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by scotty

I got it , but it was a moot point, more childishness.

Here are is what I found interesting, if your up for real discussion.

He proclaims to be a christian, but did you notice how he refers to it more often as just being a "guide" so to speak ?







Achieving salvation through the grace of God, is the best he has here, which is good. The rest seems to say he follows the examples of Jesus. In other words, not as the Son of God , but as a role model. The same could be said of Ghandi or your local school teacher. Many religions that do not believe Jesus was the Son of God still hold him up as a respected "teacher/role model" . Just seems like he broad brushed the topic to please everyone. But then again, thats his job, so its to be expected.

So he professes Jesus as LORD, understands and even articulates grace... but he's misguided in other areas still. He hasn't arrived. He's not fully mature in his discipleship. Sounds like a band of idiots that followed Jesus around. They weren't even sure who he was for a long time. They still didn't understand the Kingdom. But what they did believe about him was enough to continue walking.

If I were a non-Christian, I'd be appalled to see this is how believers treat their own. Confront his doctrine, if you have that opportunity and are in a discipleship relationship in his life, but to continue to question if he's Christian enough is silly to me. No other Prez has had to fend for the orthodoxy/orthopraxy of their faith half as much... and many of them have delievered statements about "respecting all faiths, seeing God in everyone, etc"

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by scotty

Thats just freaky .

It's irrelevant too.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by coadie

I see contradiction

Continue the story. it's a book, not a paragraph.

[canam]

Originally Posted by coadie

I will let his book answer you.






Inherited skeptism
In herited christian.
What a contradiction.

And we are known by the friends we keep ,lets see rev wright ,louis farakan,bill ayers(said he didnt regret killing anyone wished he coulda done more),bernadine dohrn,(approved of the manson murders enthusiastically)tony rezko,rob blagovich,rashid khalidi, and on and on it goes.