Restoring honor, Glenn Beck, Wash., DC

[coadie]

Originally Posted by deadeye

That right there is unnecessary, filthy, and deserves an infraction.

Vulgarity doesnt belong on a Apostolic forum....and that phrase "T__ B______" is as crude as they come

It does seem to come out the angry ones. The angry ones want social justice. Social justice used to be called getting revenge.
In political history, this endeavor is another form of seeking communism.

This gathering in Washington is about cutting back on the hate fomented by the left and rebuilding America.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by coadie

It does seem to come out the angry ones. The angry ones want social justice. Social justice used to be called getting revenge.
In political history, this endeavor is another form of seeking communism.

This gathering in Washington is about cutting back on the hate fomented by the left and rebuilding America.

Speaking of fermenting ... did Jesus drink wine with alcohol?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Beck is a mormon?

Utah Mormon. They use the King James bible and their own stuff. The Missouri Mormons got the saucy J Smith INSPIRED translation bible.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by coadie

Utah Mormon. They use the King James bible and their own stuff. The Missouri Mormons got the saucy J Smith INSPIRED translation bible.

LOL ... are you claiming that Utah Mormons ... where the LDS is headquartered ... don't use the books given by Moroni and only the KJV ... as divine scripture?




I'm finding it increasingly harder now to respond to your posts.
This is the stuff that perpetuates stereotypes about the "Christian right".

[DAII]

From the LDS website:

The Bible is a collection of sacred writings containing many of God’s revelations. It is a record of His dealings with some of His children from the Creation through the ministries of Jesus Christ and His Apostles. It was written by prophets and historians who knew God and testified of Jesus Christ. It is read and revered by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and they study it regularly.

The Bible is not God’s final revelation to humanity, however, and neither is this collection of sacred writings complete. The Bible itself speaks of other authoritative books of scripture including books of Nathan the prophet and of Jehu and Enoch, the prophecy of Ahijah, the visions of Iddo the seer, and even missing epistles of Paul (see 2 Chronicles 9:29; 13:22; 20:34; 1 Corinthians 5:9; Jude 1:14). Other books of Latter-day Saint scripture—the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—clarify the gospel as taught in the Bible and corroborate the truthfulness of the Biblical witness of Jesus Christ

Next you'll tell me they don't believe in 3 gods.

The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35)

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

Speaking of fermenting ... did Jesus drink wine with alcohol?

Of course the word alcohol is not in my bible. Wanna rephrase the question?

For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.

drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.


did Jesus say He would NOT drink from the cup?

17And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.


It actually says fruit of the vine.

That is grapes, juice, fermented wine or even vinnegar.
Glad to help. After prohibition, wine was presumed to be fermentd grapes.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

LOL ... are you claiming that Utah Mormons ... where the LDS is headquartered ... don't use the books given by Moroni and only the KJV ... as divine scripture?




I'm finding it increasingly harder now to respond to your posts.
This is the stuff that perpetuates stereotypes about the "Christian right".

It seems you are not very smart.

You also can't quote with accuracy.

Here is what I posted.



They use the King James bible and their own stuff

The RLDS church in Independence Missouri uses the JST translation. I own a copy of it. It includes the "bible", doctrine and covenants, Book of mormon and was until recently only run by blood offspring of Smith.

The Utah Mormons are LDS and use the KJV. (they will bring you a free one) the Book of Mormon, a different set of doctrine and Covenants and another book. "..."other stuff"

No where did i say they do not use the Book of Mormon as delivered in a vision by the angel Moroni.

Mormons are open cannon in that they all believe the scripture is not closed and more revelations are coming out.

I have had two executive work in my company that were high ranking Mormon elders. They were highly educated and really generous and not a sniff of condescending attitude you seem to have. But they used different definitions for several scriptural words and born again had a different meaning.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

Of course the word alcohol is not in my bible. Wanna rephrase the question?

For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.

drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.


did Jesus say He would NOT drink from the cup?

17And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.


It actually says fruit of the vine.

That is grapes, juice, fermented wine or even vinnegar.
Glad to help. After prohibition, wine was presumed to be fermentd grapes.

Mar 14:23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it.
Mar 14:24 And he said to them, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
Mar 14:25 Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."

Jesus drank wine. He said he would not drink again with them until that day. He wasn't meaning wine is bad. He is saying that he will die and leave them "until that day"

[DAII]

Originally Posted by coadie

It seems you are not very smart.

You also can't quote with accuracy.

Here is what I posted.



They use the King James bible and their own stuff

The RLDS church in Independence Missouri uses the JST translation. I own a copy of it. It includes the "bible", doctrine and covenants, Book of mormon and was until recently only run by blood offspring of Smith.

The Utah Mormons are LDS and use the KJV. (they will bring you a free one) the Book of Mormon, a different set of doctrine and Covenants and another book. "..."other stuff"

No where did i say they do not use the Book of Mormon as delivered in a vision by the angel Moroni.

Mormons are open cannon in that they all believe the scripture is not closed and more revelations are coming out.

I have had two executive work in my company that were high ranking Mormon elders. They were highly educated and really generous and not a sniff of condescending attitude you seem to have. But they used different definitions for several scriptural words and born again had a different meaning.

Another horse hockey puck post ...

The LDS does not reproduce the JST or see it as the "official bible" of the church but they most definitely endorse it ... and use parts it in their liturgy and as a guide to Scripture ...

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hi...004d82620aRCRD

A revision or translation of the King James Version of the Bible in English, which the Prophet Joseph Smith began in June 1830. He was commanded by God to make the translation and regarded it as part of his calling as a prophet.

Although Joseph completed most of the translation by July 1833, he continued until his death in 1844 to make modifications while preparing a manuscript for publication. Though he published some parts of the translation during his lifetime, it is possible that he would have made additional changes had he lived to publish the entire work. The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints published the first edition of Joseph Smith’s inspired translation in 1867. They have published several editions since that time.

The Prophet learned many things during the translation process. Several sections of the Doctrine and Covenants were received because of his translation work (such as D&C 76, 77, 91, and 132). Also, the Lord gave Joseph specific instructions for the translation, which were recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants (D&C 37: 1; 45: 60-61; 76: 15-18; 90: 13; 91; 94: 10; 104: 58; 124: 89). The book of Moses and Joseph Smith—Matthew, now included in the Pearl of Great Price, were taken directly from the Joseph Smith Translation.

The Joseph Smith Translation has restored some of the plain and precious things that have been lost from the Bible (1 Ne. 13). Although it is not the official Bible of the Church, this translation does offer many interesting insights and is very valuable in understanding the Bible. It is also a witness for the divine calling and ministry of the Prophet Joseph Smith.

Too bad Beck didn't bust out some Mormon scripture ....

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

Another horse hockey puck post ...

The LDS does not reproduce the JST or see it as the "official bible" of the church but they most definitely endorse it ... and use parts it in their liturgy and as a guide to Scripture ...

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hi...004d82620aRCRD



Too bad Beck didn't bust out some Mormon scripture ....

It is a big deal for them. J smiths wife had her sons do the church in Independence. They OWN the copyright to the Smith inspired versin and publish it. The Utah Mormons fought to get it. The RLDS changed its name to Community of Christ. Missouri Mormons are more liberal.

And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities." (2 Nephi 5:21)

Beck can do his drill. Mormons disallowed black elders until very recently.

a little trivia the BOM also said over time, if Indians became Mormons, their skin would turn white.