Other upci splits

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Did the AMF manage to keep that structure - emphasis on local pastor?

Yes, but the problem was most of the men who formed the AMF were so disenchanted with any type of organization the majority of those who formed the fellowship opted out to become independent. Both the La. & Tx. districts were ruthless thus lawsuits and blackballing. The AMF yet exist today but most of the men in it now were not part of the original group. In the early 70's there were bout 250 churches which were major churches in the South and very notable men of that time period. Elders Burr-O'Brien-Majors-Shew-Jordan-Cavaness-Davis-Ballestero-Bean-Free-Morgan-Duplissey-Cranford-Buie were renown preachers and Bible teachers.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yes, but the problem was most of the men who formed the AMF were so disenchanted with any type of organization the majority of those who formed the fellowship opted out to become independent. Both the La. & Tx. districts were ruthless thus lawsuits and blackballing. The AMF yet exist today but most of the men in it now were not part of the original group. In the early 70's there were bout 250 churches which were major churches in the South and very notable men of that time period. Elders Burr-O'Brien-Majors-Shew-Jordan-Cavaness-Davis-Ballestero-Bean-Free-Morgan-Duplissey-Cranford-Buie were renown preachers and Bible teachers.

I know almost all of them. Or at least, their offspring.

[Cyrus]

Originally Posted by Sam

There may have been more there than just standards.
One issue was ministers ruling over other ministers, like district presbyters having authority over other ministers. From what I understand, another reason was because MB was not elected Gen. Supt. so he and a bunch left to form their own org. If this is not true maybe someone with more knowledge of the situation can correct me.

I can assure you that the reason the late Elder Murray Burr split from the UPC was NOT because he wasn't elected General Superintendent. He disagreed with having preachers having authority over preachers and with the way tithing operates within the UPC. He wrote a book scriptural Tithing and New Testament Church Government and this enraged the Organization, obviously. After he disfellowshipped, he started fellowshipping men of "like precious faith" and these men eventually started the AMF. Because it is only a Fellowship and not an Organization, politics are reduced to nil, thus Pastors aspire only to please God and not a higher office within an Organization.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Much to the chagrin of those who are looking for a "UPC without dress code," I can tell you that this is not what Global is.

You are correct, Socialite. Global has AoG churches and ministers affiliated.

[Theophil]

The largest and most damaging "split" of the UPCI was the 1994 Westberg idiocy. It was at least 4X larger than the TV Res. issue. Just a well crafted demonic plan that really hurt the church.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The split in 1968 from which the AMF was formed was not over lib verses con but rather New Testament Church Government. The Sovereign Church was the issue not holiness issues.
In the early 50's those involved in the 'latter rain' movement(Kidson-Vanhoose-Varnell-Coots-Outlaw-Hokstra) formed the International Ministers Association.

They musta forgot to tell my AMF pastor that info. all he ever talked about was long sleeves, long dresses, long tresses..producing long faces.

The wedding ring was a HOT issue with the AMF. My AMF pastor proudly went to his dentist and had his gold fillings removed and replaced with amalgam.

TV was also harped on continuoisly. Amongst the AMF ers I was around in 1970 it WAS all over the fact they no longer wanted to felowship the liberal UPC churches.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

They musta forgot to tell my AMF pastor that info. all he ever talked about was long sleeves, long dresses, long tresses..producing long faces.

The wedding ring was a HOT issue with the AMF. My AMF pastor proudly went to his dentist and had his gold fillings removed and replaced with amalgam.

TV was also harped on continuoisly. Amongst the AMF ers I was around in 1970 it WAS all over the fact they no longer wanted to felowship the liberal UPC churches.

That sounds insane.

[Sister Alvear]

I knew many of the founders of the AMF...

[hossgray]

very well said