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Old 05-17-2010, 10:31 AM
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Re: When Was The Canon Established?

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No. It's just that in the specific passage cited (2 Timothy 3:16) the words "all Scriptures" are to be understood in the context of 2 Timothy 3:15-16.

Paul was writing at a specific point in time. When he stated that Timothy had known the Scriptures "from a child" (or from that age when he was a child) there were clearly only the OT scriptures in existence.

Timothy obviously hadn't know the book of 2 Timothy from the time he was a child. Paul was just writing the epistle in Timothy's young adulthood.
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Re: When Was The Canon Established?

We tend to view the New Testament as a new Book of Law. In other words - if Paul said it, you'd better do it, or go to hell.

Is this the way God intended us to use the Bible?
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We tend to view the New Testament as a new Book of Law. In other words - if Paul said it, you'd better do it, or go to hell.

Is this the way God intended us to use the Bible?
I don't believe so at all.
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your assuming alot on 2 Peter as even divine inspired.

Allegedly Peter says...

2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

"writings" or "scipture" choose what you will.
Here is what is important.

Paul was an Apostle.

Paul wrote what was given to him by God.

That makes what he wrote inspired by God.

Peter affirms what Paul wrote is inspired.

That is important because as an Apostle Peter understood they were commissioned to build the church and teach what God taught them through inspiration, directly by Jesus and later by the Holy Spirit
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Here is what is important.

Paul was an Apostle.

Paul wrote what was given to him by God.

That makes what he wrote inspired by God.


Peter affirms what Paul wrote is inspired.

That is important because as an Apostle Peter understood they were commissioned to build the church and teach what God taught them through inspiration, directly by Jesus and later by the Holy Spirit
What about present-day apostles? Are their writings inspired? Should they be in the canon?
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What about present-day apostles? Are their writings inspired? Should they be in the canon?
???

The foundations of the church are apostles and prophets, Jesus as the chief cornerstone. While there are men who function in apostolic duties, I do not believe there are any Apostles (in the primary sense of the word).
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The foundations of the church are apostles and prophets, Jesus as the chief cornerstone. While there are men who function in apostolic duties, I do not believe there are any Apostles (in the primary sense of the word).
You may not, but a lot of people do. Just sayin'. (And I don't think many of those folks distinguish between "primary" sense and otherwise. Just guessin'.)
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And what does "profitable" mean?
Good question.

I think knowing what "inspired" means is important. Some believe the letters we have are literally spit out of the mouth of God, because of their Strong's word search gave them "god-breathed" as one of a dozen options.
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You may not, but a lot of people do. Just sayin'. (And I don't think many of those folks distinguish between "primary" sense and otherwise. Just guessin'.)
They do, unfortunately.
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They do, unfortunately.
Unless they're right, of course.
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