DKBs 1st Test: Will He Uphold Manual w/ Craft?

[Michael]

Hello to everyone, I have never posted but have been reading for about four years...
That said I "internetly" know some of you here, and really like what you all think & believe.

I can tell you that the WPF doesn't license anyone...
The members of the GC and or EC don't even hold one. None of them do.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Michael

Hello to everyone, I have never posted but have been reading for about four years...
That said I "internetly" know some of you here, and really like what you all think & believe.

I can tell you that the WPF doesn't license anyone...
The members of the GC and or EC don't even hold one. None of them do.

Hi Michael,

Please read through the thread ... I think you will see that we all understand that this is not about the WPF issuing a license but rather the definitions and criteria used by the UPCI for what they consider as holding dual membership/license in another ministerial fellowship.

See post 24, especially.

[Michael]

Yeah got that, my post was to sunni...

[Michael]

Its a word game and loopholes...
Its like the "shadow party" type thing.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Michael

Its a word game and loopholes...
Its like the "shadow party" type thing.

I started to see that those who espouse full truth are masters at creating loopholes and riddles.

Had an interesting discussion with a 3 stepper who believes the term "full salvation" in the UPCI"s Fundamental Doctrine from the get go precludes one steppers from the org ... believing this loophole justifies those who believe that it is okay to extinguish brethren with diverse views on salvation.

Actually, the use of the qualifier "full" was very much deliberate when it was included in the AOF ... without it ... there is no merger because no one-stepper will say that the biblical standard of salvation are the 3 steps.

Moreover, "full salvation" and "full gospel" are terms that had a value during the birth of the Pentecostal movement ... among mainline Pentecostals ... and it never connoted "to obtain salvation" but rather that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was part of the full experience post salvation. ....

Loopholes are for those who seek to legitimize their personal agendas ... this perceived alleged loophole is an affront to the merger agreement itself.

But I digress .....I have to question the legitimacy of any WPF General Council member who is not a member of the WPF to participate in the functions described in their bylaws ...

Their vote would, I believe, be void.

This position as described is more than just an advisory position.

[Sunni]

Originally Posted by Michael

Yeah got that, my post was to sunni...

Just symantics....

OK, they don't license.. BUT you must fill out a membership form, you must get accepted in as a ministerial member... you then receive a card that states that you are in good standing and a minister in the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship good for one year... and you certainly must pay your dues... This then earns you the title of a WPF minister...

Soooo......Ok... not licensed, then fellowshipped in the WPF... I concede

BTW- I have to fill out paperwork, pay a fine, and receive a similar type of card that allows me to drive... just sayin'....

Either way, I just hopped into this thread early on to clarify that Bro. Craft was not licensed in the WPF. I guess, now I should have said, not 'fellowshipped' in the WPF to a degree that- he received a card, paid dues, filled out paperwork, etc...... Thanks for helping me out there.

Seriously, I know you stated the WPF does not license... and I guess you are not wrong in wording... but, for all intents and purposes, it is pretty much the same thing. I don't believe they would state otherwise. (Although I don't remotely claim to speak for any of them.)

Anyway Michael, we have a difference of opinions on the issue- wouldn't be a first for any of us....

Blessings

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Did you miss what I wrote, can someone with UPC license not be involve with another organization in a "director" type role? I guarantee that restriction would not be enforceable.

Yeah, I missed it. I can't understand anything you Texans say unless you illustrated it on an Etch A Sketch for me.

Except Granny. I can already read her mind after what I just typed. LOL.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by DAII

By definition, Crak, a member of the General Council is a member of the WPF.

Their rules.

Well, either they are the UPC is not enforcing their by laws and/or AOF, but do you really care? Idealism is not always achievable, even in a totalitarian regimes. So what do you expect DKB to do?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yeah, I missed it. I can't understand anything you Texans say unless you illustrated it on an Etch A Sketch for me.

Except Granny. I can already read her mind after what I just typed. LOL.

You're forgiven!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Are you suggesting that taking action would play into their martyrdom?

It would seem TLC has experienced and benefited from lots of grace, huh?

I'd like to think that I've experienced and benefited from lots of grace.

And yes, doing anything other than beating them about the head and face with Nerf baseball bats would play into their martyrdom.

These guys told us that the world was going to end a long time back. Now they're stuck with 2 Timothy 3:12-13, as their only "End-time" doom and gloom mantra. They must have bifurcated garments getting "worse and worse" and the slippery slope of compromise becoming more seductive or they don't have a message at all.

And, of course, we must feel sorry for them and pity the miserable way they've been neglected by their compromising brethren. When you take the cross out of Christianity you will find people doing all kinds of things to justify themselves.