Why Preterism is a false doctrine

[shag]

I believe, and am assuming you were just kidding around in your post Monterrey.




No doubt, the more I study the Kingdom, the parables of the Kingdom, the plain langueage Jesus used when speaking to the people, the more Im convinced. As has been pointed out, A Judgement which was called a coming of the lord fell on "Jerusulem" for the ultimate sin of, after all the murdering the prophets, then crucifying the Messiah.

Matt. 23 34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


and comparing this to the parable of the vineyard...

Mt. 21:34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.


All this language directly after Jesus reproves and rebukes the pharisees like theres no tomorrow! Then, He proceeds to weep over "the city"..


Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

And in comparison to Lukes version of the weeping Lk. 19:41 41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another,[I

When all of this is compared, it was a major judgement, from previous generations(blood of Abel to Zecharias) that fell upon that generation. And the parable of the vinyard says it was a coming of the Lord.


And even on His way to the cross, look at Jesus' reply (Lk. 23)"and women who also mourned and lamented Him. But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”


Even on the way to calvary, He was still WARNING their generation, in which all the murdering blood would fall, just as He had warned. Think about it....He said that while already having been beat have to death!

And John the baptist beforehand had prepared the way of the Lord saying "You GENERATION of VIPERS! Who hath warned you to flee from THE WRATH TO COME?"

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by shag

I believe, and am assuming you were just kidding around in your post Monterrey.




No doubt, the more I study the Kingdom, the parables of the Kingdom, the plain langueage Jesus used when speaking to the people, the more Im convinced. As has been pointed out, A Judgement which was called a coming of the lord fell on "Jerusulem" for the ultimate sin of, after all the murdering the prophets, then crucifying the Messiah.

Matt. 23 34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


and comparing this to the parable of the vineyard...

Mt. 21:34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.


All this language directly after Jesus reproves and rebukes the pharisees like theres no tomorrow! Then, He proceeds to weep over "the city"..


Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

And in comparison to Lukes version of the weeping Lk. 19:41 41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another,[I

When all of this is compared, it was a major judgement, from previous generations(blood of Abel to Zecharias) that fell upon that generation. And the parable of the vinyard says it was a coming of the Lord.


And even on His way to the cross, look at Jesus' reply (Lk. 23)"and women who also mourned and lamented Him. But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”


Even on the way to calvary, He was still WARNING their generation, in which all the murdering blood would fall, just as He had warned. Think about it....He said that while already having been beat have to death!

And John the baptist beforehand had prepared the way of the Lord saying "You GENERATION of VIPERS! Who hath warned you to flee from THE WRATH TO COME?"

Sad is thing even after all these convincing scriptures some will refuse the truth.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by afp1996

Brother, I am not sure that you know what Irvin Baxter even believes. Frist of all that is. Second, I've been there, and I've done that. Even got a tee shirt so to speak. One is not proven wrong simply by you saying so. Either prove that the 70AD desturction of Jerusalem is not a Coming of the Lord or quit being a self-proclaimed heresy hunter. The bible says to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.

Obivously you "know" the truth, so shed a little light on us who are in "darkness". This should be an easy task, what with all the material you should have purchased from the above site.

See, you and those like you are consistant in judging us to be false but very few of you even show up at the courtroom to prove it, and those that do? Well the evidence is even less revealing than if you would have stayed out of the courtroom. This is the reason that futurists are loosing their numbers.

I understand that you are seeing more people move away from futurism and into Preterism. It must be so disheartening. But it is your own fault. If you were to give solid biblical answers to their questions then they would not be looking for those answers else where. But alas, there in is the problem. Futurism does not have solid biblical answers. Preterism does.

Prove it Bro. Prove it. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Here a little, there a little.

Argh!

Please don't attack the prophet Baxter, he's is the prophet unto this generation. Kinds of like William Branhim! Careful of what yous say as the curse of God could come upon those who mock the true prophecies! We know he is the prophet because he has never missed a prophecy!

As far as peoples moving away from the truths of futurism, have you not read that many are called and few are chosen?

In the last days, the prophet teaches, many will walk away! Truly the prophecies are happening like he said!

What more must you see to believe?

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by shag

I believe, and am assuming you were just kidding around in your post Monterrey.




No doubt, the more I study the Kingdom, the parables of the Kingdom, the plain langueage Jesus used when speaking to the people, the more Im convinced. As has been pointed out, A Judgement which was called a coming of the lord fell on "Jerusulem" for the ultimate sin of, after all the murdering the prophets, then crucifying the Messiah.

Matt. 23 34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


and comparing this to the parable of the vineyard...

Mt. 21:34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.


All this language directly after Jesus reproves and rebukes the pharisees like theres no tomorrow! Then, He proceeds to weep over "the city"..


Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

And in comparison to Lukes version of the weeping Lk. 19:41 41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another,[I

When all of this is compared, it was a major judgement, from previous generations(blood of Abel to Zecharias) that fell upon that generation. And the parable of the vinyard says it was a coming of the Lord.


And even on His way to the cross, look at Jesus' reply (Lk. 23)"and women who also mourned and lamented Him. But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”


Even on the way to calvary, He was still WARNING their generation, in which all the murdering blood would fall, just as He had warned. Think about it....He said that while already having been beat have to death!

And John the baptist beforehand had prepared the way of the Lord saying "You GENERATION of VIPERS! Who hath warned you to flee from THE WRATH TO COME?"

Hermano, what makes yous think I am kidding? You don't understand what is happening to this world right beforre our eyes?

Much of what you are discussing on this post is just RELATIVE INTERPRETATION! You are trying to apply it to a people that is not relative!

In the origional these words did not necesarily mean what they mean today!

The barren wombs and all that is relative to our generation, the last generation! The Final generation! That was speaking of the massive abortions that America has performed! Don't you see truth?

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Sad is thing even after all these convincing scriptures some will refuse the truth.

Ah, Truthseeker,

It truly is sad when you think of the countless hundreds of people that have been drawn into the trap of pretertism and been drawn away, we can only pray for them that the light of Baxterism can win them back.

[Monterrey]

Relative Theology, referring to prophetic scriptures, is a way of looking at them relative to the audience reading the scriptures.

If you had been in the first generation church and read the scriptures, then yes, they would be relative to you as you being the target audience. Thus, in relative theology, Jesus was speaking to the first generation church as they were the audience.

But, for us today, we are now the relative audience and now those Scriptures are relative to us. How else could we use Acts 2:38 as a salvational scripture unless we use relative theology?

No we, of whom the ends of the world have come, are now the relative audience and are whom the scriptures are relative to.

All of the arguments that you use for the last generation are relative to us now.

Study out relative theology and you will discover what I am talking about!

[shag]

ROFL!



Surely....you can't be serious! Im convinced youre just messin with us....."has the prophet Baxter ever missed it"?

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by shag

ROFL!



Surely....you can't be serious! Im convinced youre just messin with us....."has the prophet Baxter ever missed it"?

100% Accuracy! Never missed it Baster is what they call him!

[shag]

[Monterrey]

Now Shaq

In relation to relative theology, do you see what I am meaning?

Relative theology is a fairly new method of studying prophecy. Yet it has proven very successful in interpreting the prophetic scriptures.

I have looked at what some of you preterits have written and in light of relative theology it is applicable for both ways.