Do You Believe and/or Teach that Standards are Heaven-Hell Issues?

[Steve Epley]

Can't vote or comment since I am not UPC.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Can't vote or comment since I am not UPC.

You can comment, but I think we already know the comments.

[originalsecretplace]

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Originally Posted by tv1a

If standards are heaven or hell issues than there would be ONE uniformed standard. Ultra-cons can't even agree on sleeve length and internet and they have the audacity to tell me if I don't follow their "standards" I'll be lost? My suggestion is to lock all the preachers in one room until they come up with one uniformed list of rules.

Or until the rapture whatever comes first....

Hmmmm... or maybe just lock them in a closet...

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by originalsecretplace

Or until the rapture whatever comes first....

Even after the rapture, some will still be arguing about it.....

[originalsecretplace]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

Even after the rapture, some will still be arguing about it.....

Yeah, but we won't be able to hear them arguing over the noise of the chariots of fire racing competition...

[ILG]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Oops......LOL!

Didn't read the post before answering!

Me either.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Exactly. Holiness and standards are inseparable. If one desires to live holy, then standards are among the fruit thereof. No standards, no holiness. Anyone who keeps the line of standards are not holiness are decievers and liars against the scriptures. All area of life means exactly that.

I am not going to fault you for sticking to the party line. It is a synthetic and cultural conclusion to make that if one desires to live holy, then standards are the fruit.

Can you clarify exactly what the "line of standards..." is, then we can compare what we believe is holiness.

Actually, you disagree with both of us, seems like.

I believe in holiness, a supernatural and abstract disposition that cannot be achieved by physical means unto one's self.

1Peter 1:15-16 is a commandment for holiness in all areas of conversation. This means that our standards (how we dress, where we go, and what we do) is included in this. As a believer in Jesus Christ, I see it absolutely impossible for a man to be holy on the inside and watch the lies and filth on TV. It is impossible for a woman to have a good attitude and still dress like a man or as if she has no morals. It is impossible for a person to claim modestyand wear jewelry that costs hundreds or thousands of dollars just for appearances.

There is a fine line here, but you are defining holiness through your interpretation of standards. There is absolutely NO biblical correlation between what you call standards in terms of dress that you can tie to holiness relative to the commandment of almighty God.

Again, you hold the party line and you can't be faulted for that, but I do fault you for condemning folks based on your interpretation (notice I did not say your misguided interpretation, you can interpret the man in the moon being the Apostle Paul if you want, just don't condemn me for not agreeing with you)

[AGAPE]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Okay, apparently I am naive about this issue, so I'm taking a poll. Please only answer the poll if you are a licensed UPCI minister. (It's open so that can be verified, if need be.)

It has always been my understanding that standards and rules and guidelines were not heaven or hell issues, but rather preferences, protective measures, boundaries, or issues of personal consecration. I was not aware that a large majority of the UPCI ministerial constituency taught these things as heaven/hell issues or salvational issues.

I guess I've been in the dark all these years. So enlighten me.

uhoh.
I voted before I saw that "Please only answer the poll if you are a licensed UPCI minister".

SORRY!

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Not good enough.

View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues.
Actaeon, Brother Price, CupCake, Whole Hearted
2 40.00%
I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation.
DaisyP, Hesetmefree238, seguidordejesus, tndixiemom
1 20.00%
I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization.
Thumper
1 20.00%
I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational. 0 0%
I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational.
Drama Queen, myhaloisintheshop, Oneintheword
1 20.00%
I don't know. 0 0%


Says there are five voters. I see only three preachers (of those I know about). Price, Seguidor, CupCake, and DQ aren't licensed. I don't know about the other ones.

Actaeon, WholeHearted, and Thumper are preachers that I know of.

I'm puzzled why there are about twelve names but only five voters though.

I voted before I read, sorry. We were lic at one time with UPCI, we did preach it as Heaven or hell, salvation. We are Lic under different organization these days, we no longer believe or teach such message as the dress one being heaven or hell~

MissBrattified~ Maybe you should make it a public for all the members to vote on, not just pastors. It be interesting to see how many did believe in it at one time or never did or no longer do.