Biblical Contradiction?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

Interesting. So your assumption is that faith resides in some, but not everyone when they are born?

When and how is this faith imparted to the rest of us?

No. I phrased it wrong. I said it is not in everyone when they are born snce I was reacting to your thoughts that it is in everyone. I should have said it is in NO ONE when they are born. And whenever the Word comes to people, they either consider it openly or not. If they do, that Word then reacts with their spirits, and it creates faith in their hearts. That is how it works for everyone.

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No. I phrased it wrong. I said it is not in everyone when they are born snce I was reacting to your thoughts that it is in everyone. I should have said it is in NO ONE when they are born. And whenever the Word comes to people, they either consider it openly or not. If they do, that Word then reacts with their spirits, and it creates faith in their hearts. That is how it works for everyone.

You are correct if you are referring to "saving" faith, or faith as it pertains to the hearing of the gospel and salvation. That is why I asked you to differentiate between general faith and the level of faith necessary to experience salvation.

If you do not believe that faith is innate in each of us, or in other words, lies dormant awaiting activation, let me ask you this:

Did the prophets of Baal exercise/possess faith? 1 Kings 18. If so, where did their faith originate?

Is it possible for an individual to have faith in a theory like, say, (macro) evolution? If so, where did this faith originate?

Are children faithless? If not, where do they inherit/receive their faith?

[NotforSale]

The Bible is full of hidden and obvious error.

Take for instance, Solomon. This man was apparently responsible for writing at least 3 books in the Old Testament. He had 300 wives and 700 concubines. If there was ever a man living in sin, it was Solomon. If he attempted to become a licensed minister in our time, there wouldn't even be a question about him qualifying, his moral integrity totally unacceptable. Yet, we use his words all the time to convince others to not have sex outside of marriage. We call this man, the wisest man that ever lived; this is so far from the truth. Solomon was a whoremonger and he married multiple women who worshipped false gods. How many of you would go to a meeting with Solomon speaking? This man claimed in his writings about the worthiness of a dedicated father. He must have been a horrible father, it being impossible to spend quality time with his children. I could go on and on.

Why are this man's writings revered and honored as being sacred?

If Hell is truly real, why didn't man know about this horrible and unthinkable place for 3500-5000 years (The first 5 books of the Bible were not written until 1500 BC). Is this God of love, whom we claim has mercy to our so human and fallible ways going to throw people into a pit of flames for ever and ever? Oh, but Solomon, he made it. Yeah, same with David, 3 wives, an adulterer, and a murderer. How about Lot, children born from him by his daughters? Noah, a righteous drunk?

Lest we forget, Hell is a New Testament place. The Old Testament is void of this eternal Hole of damnation. Why? How come? Shouldn't we've known about this tragic end of a mans life since the beggining? Why does it appear just 2000 years ago?

If we don't consider these errors, we will continue to paint God with a false brush. Oh, we'll dodge, dash, and run around the facts with our theological nightmare, but the truth remains, the Bible is a book of MAN! Man wrote it, not God.

God is far bigger than a 1000 page book!!

[mfblume]

NotForSale, I have rarely read such error as what you posted.

Solomon a whoremonger since he, as a Hebrew King had many wives and concubines. Rigggghhhtt. Learn about culture, friend. And as for your thoughts on hell -- not even worth commenting about. ("If he attempted to become a licensed minister in our time" -- priceless!)

My thoughts, anyway.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

You are correct if you are referring to "saving" faith, or faith as it pertains to the hearing of the gospel and salvation. That is why I asked you to differentiate between general faith and the level of faith necessary to experience salvation.

If you do not believe that faith is innate in each of us, or in other words, lies dormant awaiting activation, let me ask you this:

Did the prophets of Baal exercise/possess faith? 1 Kings 18. If so, where did their faith originate?

Is it possible for an individual to have faith in a theory like, say, (macro) evolution? If so, where did this faith originate?

Are children faithless? If not, where do they inherit/receive their faith?

I gave you my answers.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

NotForSale, I have rarely read such error as what you posted.

Solomon a whoremonger since he, as a Hebrew King had many wives and concubines. Rigggghhhtt. Learn about culture, friend. And as for your thoughts on hell -- not even worth commenting about. ("If he attempted to become a licensed minister in our time" -- priceless!)

My thoughts, anyway.

Thanks for the response. A challenge is always in order. Without it, we would follow fallacy and flightless doctrine.

Just curious, have you studied polygamy? If you have time, the video post below reveals startling facts about this lifestyle and its reprecussions on the family (Fathers, wives, and children). Its facts and testimonies are heart wrenching. You can purchase the video if you are interested. I have copies and have loaned it out to other Christians and they have been blessed richly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-iIOWOblW0

To think that the culture of the time of Solomon was any different is inaccurate. The Family is the Family, period. Certain dynamics must exist for it to be healthy. I have raised 3 children to adults and been married 29 years, plus Pastor. Children and wives have needs that can only be met by a dedicated father. Time is the invaluable ingredient Solomon didn't have to give. This is the fact of the matter, whether you accept it or not.

You didn't address any of the complications of Solomons wives. They were known for pagan worship. Not only was he married to multiple women, which is not God's will, and never has been, he was unequally yoked. He also gleaned from an unlimited number of sexual partners. You don't address this. How come? This is a complicated and unruly lifestyle no matter how you look at it.

Please, brother, if you claim I'm in error, explain yourself. You only confuse people who are looking for solid answers. This is the problem with Churches today. Just submit. Just obey. Don't ask. Just believe. That's what you're saying. A shallow, empty concept you have embraced, which leads enitre societies and peoples to dead faith and false doctrine.

You simply say, my statement on Hell isn't even worth commenting about. I see, you are one of those who sends everyone to Hell that doesn't believe like you. I get it. You must feel all those who didn't know about Hell before the New Testament are just a bunch of "SINNERS", and they are lost. No big deal. Burning souls, screaming in agony is just the way it is. God is that way. What makes you so sure. Have you been to Hell? Do you know anyone who has been there? Who do you trust with this thinking?

And, as far as learning about culture, I forgot, you lived during the time of Solomon. Please forgive me. You are the expert.

You know Brother, no offense, but its people like you that are driving people away from loving and knowing Him. When will you understand, the Bible is only a Book, written by man. Stop limiting God, and open up your heart to the real truth. People have sought God for Millineums without access to scripture. We can't, and must never deny this.

God can still speak to us in the cool of the day.

Just my thoughts.

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

To think that the culture of the time of Solomon was any different is inaccurate.

If you back up a bit further, during the time of Adam and Eve, you may remember it was not uncommon for siblings to marry and reproduce--not an attractive thought for us today...

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

If you back up a bit further, during the time of Adam and Eve, you may remember it was not uncommon for siblings to marry and reproduce--not an attractive thought for us today...

My response on culture was not thorough. I apologize for that. Yes, cultures are different, but, people are basically the same. Music is a powerful example. My radio does not play what they listen to in other cultures or ages. But, it's still music, and the purpose of the music accomplishes simular results.

No matter the culture or age, a family is a family. The sound may be different, but there must be harmony for there to be beauty.

Siblings giving in marriage is proven to be a failed attempt to populate. Mental retardation, physical deformation, and other symptoms are the result of this behaviour, no matter what culture you belong to. If God intended for this action to be justified, there would not be this type of breakdown.

This is what I meant about Solomon and his actions. No matter his culture, his practice of multiple wives, concubines, being unequally yoked, all these corrupt the basic network of a strong family.

Being the husband of one wife is God's basic plan, and today we see clearly why this is important. I don't care if you claim to author Scripture, sit on a throne, live in the ghetto, are rich and famous, to step out of the perimeters of this scientific and moral guideline, leads all to lies and deceit.

I don't understand those who were responsible of using Solomon as a good example by using his writings to encourage strong family principle. I wish his children could speak for him. I wish his wives could write thier testimony. What's sad is, we take only a few pages of thoughts, and we conclude, this man was wise. Try writing a book about your life. I promise, it would be volumes of books, not one book or just a few pages, especially if we allowed others to share (your wife/husband, children, grandchildren) to share thier hearts.

The video I posted gives the other side of the story. The wives and children speak out, and thank goodness, they do.

Thanks.

[mfblume]

NFS, there is simply nothing wrong in the bible with David and Abraham and Solomon and all the other kings with having multiple wives and concubines. You have to get out of your 21st century North American box and understand culture to get this issue.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

NFS, there is simply nothing wrong in the bible with David and Abraham and Solomon and all the other kings with having multiple wives and concubines. You have to get out of your 21st century North American box and understand culture to get this issue.