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07-21-2009, 04:59 PM
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Re: Observations at a Contemporary Baptist Church
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Let's take a look at Paul's baptism...
(Acts 22:16 KJV)
(16) And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Notice it wasn't Ananias who was to call on the name of the Lord over Paul... it was Paul, the person being baptized, who was to call upon the name of the Lord.
It doesn't matter who says what over you when you're baptized. If you're calling out to Jesus it's effectual. Formulas are inventions of men. Baptism isn't the time for formulas... it's a time for cleansing and the washing away of sin. Only a repentant heart calling out to Jesus in the waters of baptism can experience the remission of sin.
We've ritualized using the name of Jesus just like the Trinitarians have ritualized using the three titles. Both of us have become quite... ceremonial. |
WooHoo!!!
I just shouted.
Well, not really, but I sure do agree!
On another thread, I expressed similar opinions and had someone post the AFF rules, so we better be careful!!
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07-21-2009, 05:19 PM
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Re: Observations at a Contemporary Baptist Church
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Originally Posted by Irreligious
Very well said! You know, I hate to admit this, but you just made me think of something that's never crossed my mind. Acts 2:38 says, "In the name of Jesus Christ" but almost all...maybe all....of the "oneness" baptisms I've witness have been some form of "I baptize you in the name of Jesus", omitting his standing as The Christ and technically violating the verse?
How come there isn't a big, fat fight over that? Does that mean all the oneness folks who have been baptized in the name of Jesus are going to hell? Heck, they didn't obey Acts 2:38!!
That just hit me in the head like a 2x4. If we're gonna get technical, let's REALLY get technical. |
Oh my brother, there is a big fight over it. There are whole denoms who teach that if it is not JC, only in J, that you are not baptized or saved!! Several in TN believe this way. Some even say that the JC must also be on your builiding...not just on a sign by the road...but ON THE BUILDING or you are not in the truth.
I heard a bishop preaching about his own daughter saying he hoped she would get "right" because she was baptized in the "Lord JC" and not just JC!
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07-21-2009, 06:24 PM
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Re: Observations at a Contemporary Baptist Church
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Oh my brother, there is a big fight over it. There are whole denoms who teach that if it is not JC, only in J, that you are not baptized or saved!! Several in TN believe this way. Some even say that the JC must also be on your builiding...not just on a sign by the road...but ON THE BUILDING or you are not in the truth.
I heard a bishop preaching about his own daughter saying he hoped she would get "right" because she was baptized in the "Lord JC" and not just JC!
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No way. Seriously??
I would say, "That's crazy" but really, this ALL seems crazy. I come from the ultra-right wing side of things where women couldn't tweeze their eyebrows and the 3-God morons were preached against weekly. Maybe we weren't all that extreme after all!
Speaking of eyebrows and a bunch of other stuff like that...isn't it a little creepy how much certain men would obsess on how the women looked?
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Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? Will God? No! HE IS THE ONE who has given us right standing with himself. Who then will condemn us? Will Christ Jesus? No, for HE IS THE ONE who died for us and was raised to life for us and is sitting at the place of highest honor next to God, pleading for us. (Romans 8:33-34)
"The greatest enemy to the movement of Jesus Christ is Christianity". –Erwin McManus
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07-21-2009, 06:33 PM
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Re: Observations at a Contemporary Baptist Church
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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen
Wow- the deception that was cast over you was great then. There are WAY too many Scriptures to even post about the reverance and awe that is supposed to be had over the name of the LORD. The power that is in the name of the LORD is great, and with remission of sins, being told to be preached in Christ's name, to hear that you went and baptized according to the titular formula (which does not understand the Scripture in its fulness) is troubling.
-Bro. Alex
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Hey Alex...
I've been on this forum for 6 days, I think, and I've noticed a trend and you just did it again.
A legitimate point will be made after you've dropped the "hell-bomb" and then you just disappear. You tell me I'm in "deception", going to hell, I defend my position with scripture and logic and....
Nothing.
This happened last week with several people on the McCary thread.
Either I'm the world's best debater (and I'm not) or you good folks can't defend the claims you're making which suggests that a LOT of people have been spoon-fed cliches and rhetoric which they regurgitate on command.
And then disappear when scripture and logic is used.
Come on, dude, if you're gonna throw me in hell, at least tell me why.
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Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? Will God? No! HE IS THE ONE who has given us right standing with himself. Who then will condemn us? Will Christ Jesus? No, for HE IS THE ONE who died for us and was raised to life for us and is sitting at the place of highest honor next to God, pleading for us. (Romans 8:33-34)
"The greatest enemy to the movement of Jesus Christ is Christianity". –Erwin McManus
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07-21-2009, 07:50 PM
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Re: Observations at a Contemporary Baptist Church
Can grace be forfieted on a technicality?
A technicnal "mistake" spoken by a third party?
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07-21-2009, 07:59 PM
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Re: Observations at a Contemporary Baptist Church
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I'll probably take some heat for this... And I really do understand the arguements...
But what amazes me is one can clearly call on the name of Jesus, and place faith in Him alone for their salvation, yet be considered "not baptised in Jesus Name" because of a technical foul by a third party that is niether giving nor recieving salvation.
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
Can grace be forfieted on a technicality?
A technicnal "mistake" spoken by a third party?
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As I said, "Amazing!"
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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07-21-2009, 09:45 PM
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Re: Observations at a Contemporary Baptist Church
Even though I'm classed as moderate or liberal..........I'm totally Jesus Name Baptism. It was poured into my head from birth.
That being said, I think it's ok to use the "formula" and then state which is Jesus.
Kenneth Reeves always baptized folks quoting Matt 28:19 and then saying in Jesus Name.It caught me off guard the first time,but I got used to it. We attended his church mid 70's for 3 years. A great man that followed after Christ and not St Louis.
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