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1Corinth2v4 · #41 07-13-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

an example of paul of todays world would be someone like elder Morton that has his men go out and start churches and he is the overseer. all bro. motons men submit them selves to him yet they are pastors of their local church. Paul was not like an org that can carless what your doing as long as your dues are paid.

Here's another question for HometownGuy and Bro. Epley-

If you're a pastor within the UPCI and your pastor which also is UPCI dies, are you freed from being under subjection to any man within the UPCI?

apples and oranges.......

1Corinth2v4 · #42 07-13-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Here's another question for HometownGuy and Bro. Epley-

If you're a pastor within the UPCI and your pastor which also is UPCI dies, are you freed from being under subjection to any man within the UPCI?

apples and oranges.......

BUMP

Steve Epley · #43 07-13-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

So pastors practiced submission within the New Testament church, yet, that's no longer a practice amongst us now?

To whom then can Heb 13:7 apply to, only saints? When you were pastoring, who were you submitted to?

Men of God are to submit to one another.

Steve Epley · #44 07-13-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Neck

So did Paul Pastor all the churches in the New Testament? Or was he the overseer of the churches? Did the pastor's in these churches have to submit to Paul? Mayby an off the subject question just wondering your thoughts.

Paul was THE Apostle to the Gentiles called by God to be that.

Steve Epley · #45 07-13-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Here's another question for HometownGuy and Bro. Epley-

If you're a pastor within the UPCI and your pastor which also is UPCI dies, are you freed from being under subjection to any man within the UPCI?

apples and oranges.......

My Pastor died I did NOT go Pastor shopping however I had men I was submitted to when I started evangelizing I felt the need to have a Pastor to work out of his church thus I did just that and I am submitted to him.

1Corinth2v4 · #46 07-13-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

My Pastor died I did NOT go Pastor shopping however I had men I was submitted to when I started evangelizing I felt the need to have a Pastor to work out of his church thus I did just that and I am submitted to him.

Bro. Epley,

You completely avoided my question. Once again, if you're a pastor within the UPCI and your pastor which also is UPCI dies, are you freed from being under subjection to any man within the UPCI?

I believe the only optional answers for my question is yes or no.

GrowingPains · #47 07-13-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Men of God are to submit to one another.

Doesn't the verse about submitting to one another apply to the saints as well? Not even "as well", but that was the audience it seems.

Pastors/Leaders/Bishops, all should also have accountability and someone they are submitted to.

hometown guy · #48 07-13-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Hometownguy,

I don't think I referred to an "org" as an elder, but instead referred to individuals as elders, within an organization. Since you used Bro. Morton as an example, so will I.

Say Bro. Morton's pastor is UPCI, and lets also "pretend" Bro. Morton submits to Elder Paul Price. If Bro. Morton is advised not to leave UPCI by these two fine men, and yet he does, is that an example of rebelling against your elders and defying God's word?

Can Bro. Morton use the term "God's will" as an excuse for leaving UPCI, after being advised not to leave? If yes, when individuals leave certain "conservative" circles, why can't these individuals claim "God's will" also?

I will await your answer!

I cant even “pretend” to answer for Bro. Morton but if it was me I would not leave if my elders and pastor advised me not to.

Esther · #49 07-14-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

I cant even “pretend” to answer for Bro. Morton but if it was me I would not leave if my elders and pastor advised me not to.

Even if they advice has no scriptural basis?

Steve Epley · #50 07-14-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Bro. Epley,

You completely avoided my question. Once again, if you're a pastor within the UPCI and your pastor which also is UPCI dies, are you freed from being under subjection to any man within the UPCI?

I believe the only optional answers for my question is yes or no.

I did NOT avoid your question but maybe I have not been clear enough.
The UPC has zip-nada-nothing-zilch-zero to do with Biblical authority. If a man had a Pastor who held license with the UPC it would mean NOTHING in the principle of Bible submission. The authority of that Pastor comes from God and the Bible NOT via the license the Pastor does or does NOT hold. The UPC is a non-entity in the subject of authority and submission Biblically.
If my Pastor had held license with the UPC that would have NO bearing on who I would be in submission to if my Pastor died. The UPC is NOT my Pastor nor should it be any man's pastor. Maybe this is clear enough!