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Ferd · #41 04-30-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Jesus is called the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in Revelation 13:8. Salvation has always been through the death of Jesus on the cross and then His subsequent burial and resurrection. Prior to the cross they looked ahead to the cross and that sacrifice was pictured every time an animal was sacrificed all the way from the animal sacrifice in Genesis three until the lambs who died at the Temple the day before Jesus died. We now look back to that sacrifice on the cross and it is pictured every time we have communion.

It is interesting to point out that no one pre-cross, was saved without making that sacrifice....

I completely agree that the cross is the fulcrum of salvation... but those before and those after MUST turn to the cross to find salvation...

Ferd · #42 04-30-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

My answer Thief on the cross..

People salvation did not start at Pentecost sorry to bust your bubble.....

no bubble bursted at all.

Elder Epley said "since the Day of Pentecost" the theif died before the Day of Pentecost.

it wouldnt be accurate to say that I hated to bust your bubble.

Sam · #43 04-30-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

It is interesting to point out that no one pre-cross, was saved without making that sacrifice....
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Rahab was saved because she believed that YHWH was the true God and He was giving Canaan to the Israelites (Joshua 2:9-15; 6:21-25; Hebrews 11:31; James 2:25)

A whole lot of people in Nineveh were saved by faith and repentance (Jonah 3:5-10; Matthew 12:41)

Ron · #44 04-30-2009, 02:46 PM

All this chatter about Grandma, & thieves on crosses & in between Testaments, what does the Bible say about what Paul said to certain Disciples?
Paul didn't say just believe and everything will be fine, he asked pertinent questions & they rightly so, took appropriate action in response to the preaching!

It's simple folks, obey Acts 2:38!

Acts 19

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

deltaguitar · #45 04-30-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

All this chatter about Grandma, & thieves on crosses & in between Testaments, what does the Bible say about what Paul said to certain Disciples?
Paul didn't say just believe and everything will be fine, he asked pertinent questions & they rightly so, took appropriate action in response to the preaching!

It's simple folks, obey Acts 2:38!

Acts 19

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

I think Paul said believe at other times. This is a historical narrative and must be interpreted by the rest of the bible. Acts 2:28 is not repeated or reinforced anywhere else in the bible.

Ron · #46 04-30-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think Paul said believe at other times. This is a historical narrative and must be interpreted by the rest of the bible. Acts 2:28 is not repeated or reinforced anywhere else in the bible.

Oh now, is that right???

Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19, must be not relevant than if that were true.

Acts 2:38 is a work of faith & is a response to the "command" to "OBEY" the Gospel.

deltaguitar · #47 04-30-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Oh now, is that right???

Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19, must be not relevant than if that were true.

Acts 2:38 is a work of faith & is a response to the "command" to "OBEY" the Gospel.

Is there anywhere that says that Acts 2:28 is the response to the gospel?