The New World Order

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How can you possibly say, "It leads to the Mark of the Beast?" What from the Scriptures could have given you that idea?

Scriptures, Pel?

They don't use Scriptures, more like hollywood!

Cashless society according to the Bible! That is funny!

They have always had money, mentioned back in Genesis. Money means different things. It is just currency, a means of keeping track of trade, whatever! Anytime there is commerce there is some way to keep track of that! Today, here in the US and other parts of the world, we use paper and plastic.

In Tonga, still today, they use large round rocks! In some parts of Asia they mainly use gold! Jewelry.

Again, Brothers, let's see the Scriptures for this "CASHLESS" society!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Oh please!!!!! Not the fear again. Remember, the mark does no good unless it is in your RIGHT hand or your FOREHEAD!!!

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

A credit card is just another form of currency! It is cashless in that there is no paper money, but it still operates on whatever currency they use in that country. Nowhere in Rev does it say "Cashless"!!!

Fear! I remember when it was your social that was the mark! Then it was the verichip!

"Oh please", yourself. You're way off base with this brother.

If you'll notice, my post was referring to a the idea of a cashless society, period. Someone was questioning what was the reason for believing that in a coming casheless society, and I showed some links to prove that it is a reality. That is what my post was focusing on. If you disagree that there is a move toward a coming cashless society, then feel free to present your evidence to the contrary.
----

That being said, as a separate issue, it is not "fear" to acknowledge that a cashless society could well be a stepping stone toward the Mark of the Beast. It's not fear, sir, it's awareness. If you do some research into it you'll see that this is something that's been discussed for a long time within the banking industry.
I'll give you one to start off, then feel free to look into it more if you like:

On April 27, 1998, Time Magazine ran the story, The Big Bank Theory And What It Says About The Future OF Money, in which they opined 'Your daughter can store the money any way she wants--on her laptop, on a debit card, even (in the not too distant future) on a chip implanted under her skin.'

Again, it's not fear --it's awareness.
You can choose be a skeptic if you like, but some of us have been paying attention to this for a while, and we know what's going on.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Scriptures, Pel?

They don't use Scriptures, more like hollywood!

Cashless society according to the Bible! That is funny!

They have always had money, mentioned back in Genesis. Money means different things. It is just currency, a means of keeping track of trade, whatever! Anytime there is commerce there is some way to keep track of that! Today, here in the US and other parts of the world, we use paper and plastic.

In Tonga, still today, they use large round rocks! In some parts of Asia they mainly use gold! Jewelry.

Again, Brothers, let's see the Scriptures for this "CASHLESS" society!

OK TJJJ,
I am hearing your point and I understand (to some degree) that bizarre side streets some Christians travel to promote the next book in the "Left Behind" series.

But EFT is a cashless transaction, or if you would permit, 'currency-absent' exchange. AS SUCH, it enables central stakeholders to add a second dimension; an "enable" feature to transactions in the marketplace.

I aggree that the digits, that represent the numbers, that represent some form of currency, will always exist in the "ether" of some electronic account. But if you had gold, you could transact an exchange with anyone accepting gold. The new thing that is appearing on stage is the inability to use any form of currency WITHOUT ALSO HAVING a subscription to game. If I want to deposit the Gold I just received from you to make the number, representing my balance, increase....a step could easily be added to require identifying the source of funds.

I know this firsthand. I deposited cash from a HOME EQUITY LOAN in a different bank from the one that originated the loan and it triggered a required disclosure form be filed with the IRS by the bank receiving the deposit.

Technology is providing a very manageable means to insert a CENTRAL ENABLE for all transactions involving the exchange of goods and services as more and more of these actions are conducted using EFT.

Crime will need to become administered from corporation to corporation. The corporations will then be in a position to have payroll transactions with the players involved. Everybody, including our criminals, will pay their taxes to the reigning cesear. In doing so, crime will serve the fundemental interests of whoever is in power, as well as non-criminal endeavor.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

True dat.

As I recall you posted an excellent multi-part video on the topic Ron

You mean in this thread?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=18970

It appears the video has been removed.
However, the first part of the video is listed here again & subsequent links are shown on you tube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJoIbPkRvig

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by tbpew

...
Crime will need to become administered from corporation to corporation. The corporations will then be in a position to have payroll transactions with the players involved. Everybody, including our criminals, will pay their taxes to the reigning cesear. In doing so, crime will serve the fundemental interests of whoever is in power, as well as non-criminal endeavor.

Good thoughts from The Back Pew.

Of course crime has always served the fundamental interests of the ruling classes whenever freedom was limited or nonexistent. One man's criminal enterprise is just another man's 'legitimate' business interest. Crime has a way of victimizing the most vulnerable members of any society so wealthy and powerful interests are usually shielded from the nastier aspects - until doom comes to all.

My earlier point in appearing to mock or question the "cashless" angle of the current prophecy movement is that the purveyors of this view are simply seeing natural trends and then trying to force a Biblical apocalyptic view on them. The whole "cashless" thing was a self fulfilling prophecy the moment "cash" was invented.

Cash is merely a "commodity-less" system of exchange. Instead of toting a bag of gold around, you carry something more convenient and more easily traded. It's inevitable that easier and more convenient means of making a transaction would develop and will continue to develop.

It's like lugging a bale of hay in from the field. There's gotta be an easier way than toting the thing on your back. The natural progression is to then have the women do it for you, then a mule or an ox, then a sleek horse, then a smoke belching steam contraption all of the way up to modern farm equipment.

It doesn't take a keen and savvy prophet to point out the obvious to you. But it does require the audience to be a little keener and a bit more savvy to see when they're being manipulated.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Ron

You mean in this thread?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=18970

It appears the video has been removed.
However, the first part of the video is listed here again & subsequent links are shown on you tube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJoIbPkRvig

OHhh... GROAN! Alex Jones???

C'mon guys. Alex Jones? I am like so disappointed with you...

"George W. Bush blew up the WTC on 9/11. There are secret underground concentration camps staffed by aliens and run by FEMA."

You guys are so 1990's and the X-Files. Sorry, but I have to be derisive of anything Alex Jones does.

Anybody going to see the new comic book movie this weekend?

[RandyWayne]

Cash is merely a "commodity-less" system of exchange. Instead of toting a bag of gold around, you carry something more convenient and more easily traded. It's inevitable that easier and more convenient means of making a transaction would develop and will continue to develop.

From carts of produce, to livestock, to gold coins, to paper cash, to digital transactions (made possible by digital signatures and certificates -think Verasign).

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by pelathais

My earlier point in appearing to mock or question the "cashless" angle of the current prophecy movement is that the purveyors of this view are simply seeing natural trends and then trying to force a Biblical apocalyptic view on them. The whole "cashless" thing was a self fulfilling prophecy the moment "cash" was invented.

Cash is merely a "commodity-less" system of exchange. Instead of toting a bag of gold around, you carry something more convenient and more easily traded. It's inevitable that easier and more convenient means of making a transaction would develop and will continue to develop.

It's like lugging a bale of hay in from the field. There's gotta be an easier way than toting the thing on your back. The natural progression is to then have the women do it for you, then a mule or an ox, then a sleek horse, then a smoke belching steam contraption all of the way up to modern farm equipment.

It doesn't take a keen and savvy prophet to point out the obvious to you. But it does require the audience to be a little keener and a bit more savvy to see when they're being manipulated.

but Pel, you opted out of my larger point...the technology-based "enable" feature is a new development that the horizon has glimpses of....without any of practical basis your post identifies.

The basis of exchange may soon be appearing (in a 7-11 near you) with a companion feature coupled with the condition of available funds...the priviledge to transact.

Your evolution of transaction facilitation does not consider this "new thing". It would be like you earning a dollar delivering newspapers and then your MOM going to the candy store and saying..."Pel does not have permission to buy any giant Sweet Tarts or Pixie Sticks."

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by tbpew

but Pel, you opted out of my larger point...the technology-based "enable" feature is a new development that the horizon has glimpses of....without any of practical basis your post identifies.

The basis of exchange may soon be appearing (in a 7-11 near you) with a companion feature coupled with the condition of available funds...the priviledge to transact.

Your evolution of transaction facilitation does not consider this "new thing". It would be like you earning a dollar delivering newspapers and then your MOM going to the candy store and saying..."Pel does not have permission to buy any giant Sweet Tarts or Pixie Sticks."

You're pointing out the control that such electronic transactions makes possible. I do have to concede that my argument doesn't really address that and you've made an important point.

In the past, "criminals" (and being very loose in our definitions of criminals - if the king is a 'bad guy,' then many if not most of the 'criminals' would be 'good guys') could often invent whole new economies that rivaled the state's economy. In 3rd world nations today, many 'criminals' deal exclusively in U.S. dollars and circumvent the local dictator's control.

Under an hypothesized "cashless" system with your "new thing" - what means would a criminal have of circumventing the system? And it wouldn't just be Fundy Dispensationalists who may or may not have missed the rapture; a lot of 'legitimate' syndicates of 'honest' businessmen would love to do the same thing.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by pelathais

OHhh... GROAN! Alex Jones???

C'mon guys. Alex Jones? I am like so disappointed with you...

"George W. Bush blew up the WTC on 9/11. There are secret underground concentration camps staffed by aliens and run by FEMA."

You guys are so 1990's and the X-Files. Sorry, but I have to be derisive of anything Alex Jones does.

Anybody going to see the new comic book movie this weekend?

Did you view the video?
These people are real, thier meetings are real, & thier manifesto is real.
Alex Jones you may not like the guy, but don't dismiss the message because of the messenger.