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Old 04-09-2007, 04:05 PM
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Give me Paul's take on wimpy Barak????????????????
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:07 PM
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Some men would not have listened to Hulah...but wise men did and obeyed...

It is not the fact can a woman..the fact is that God did use women...
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God cursed both men and women that came NOT to the AID of DEBORAH...not Barak
I am NOT demeaning Deborah she was certainly used of the Lord however there must be something to consider when Paul mentions Barak and omits Deborah from the Heros of faith and there are women mentioned in the chapter?
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Come on Brother Epley I'm bringing my grand daughter for you to ordain...
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Come on Brother Epley I'm bringing my grand daughter for you to ordain...
Now there may be an exception.
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:10 PM
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Well once again it seems people are responding without reading everything they are responding to.

MFBlume - I specifically addressed the issue of God raising up female leadership in the church as a sign of God's displeasure with the failure of godly men to fulfill their roles.

Sister Alvear - the entire nation of Israel was under attack. Men and women certainly have gone to the aid of the Israelite Defense Forces, however this says nothing of their respective roles in such an event. Notice what Jael was doing when Sisera came upon her tent... she was not out engaging in war, a la Joan of Arc...

In any event, the reasoning which suggests that "because Deborah was giving prophetic leadership to Israel in the old days therefore women may assume eldership responsibilities in the church today" is flawed, as I demonstrated. That reasoning can only be true IF it is true that "whatever was allowed in the OT is allowed in the NT." And, I proved such reasoning is invalid, and the conclusion false and unsound.

Again, where is the NT scripture which identifies women as holding eldership in the church?

And what shall we make of Isaiah 3:12?
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:11 PM
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I am NOT demeaning Deborah she was certainly used of the Lord however there must be something to consider when Paul mentions Barak and omits Deborah from the Heros of faith and there are women mentioned in the chapter?
We cannot go that route, brother. There could be a million variable reasons people could come up with.
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PLEASE note...I am just teasing Brother Epley...
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