For the Record!

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Ron

So by your token Job was sinning?

HUH?

Job said "that which he feared came upon him", also God did not do to Job the devil did. Job said "the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, but if you read the end of Job he was rebuked by God.

Not sure the point that you are trying to make, but the it is the their that comes to kill, steal, and destroy not God.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Ron

Sis, no I am not. I am just saying that we (any Christian) can not equate God's blessing or blessings with our right standing with him.

You have got a really strange doctrine. You ought to read the Old Testament. When Israel walked with God = pleasing to God, the blessings of God manifested in their life.

When Israel sinned = not pleasing to God destruction in one form or another came on them.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I think he is just saying that having lots of people, money, buildings etc. are not a good indicator whether one is in God's will or receiving favor of God.

Now, if that's what he is saying...ok! But he specifically said (twice) that the "blessings of God" making God sound like He's the teaser of the righteous or something

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Ron

Sis, no I am not. I am just saying that we (any Christian) can not equate God's blessing or blessings with our right standing with him.

I did not want it to seem like I was knocking you or Keith.
I have great respect for you both going and starting a new work.
Your trips overseas are awesome.

I think it was Bro Stoneking who stated in one of his messages that, God can bless us & still not be pleased with us.
I agree.
God blesses us because he is good.

It was a generic statement for anyone including myself.

Please forgive me if you took it otherwise.

Being used by God is not the same as being blessed by God, I definitely understand that. The question under discussion was if traditional outward standards are the key that either prevents or allows true revival or renewal.

In some circles no one not having the same standards as certain others is currently experiencing something called revival.

Understand I am not against standards, Biblical holiness is very important to God, but my or someone else's interpretation or application that we use to express that is not the same always.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Keith and Jeanie, I do not discount your ministry because you don't observe as strictly as some do. Neither do I discount the ministry of those hold very strict standards. I believe some of both types are growing and having "revival". Praise God for the report you bring!

Those from either side who judge sharply the other - they should be discounted as that attitude is worthless.

Exactly!

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Off topic, but responding to your Pray for India signature. I'm leaving for India a week from tomorrow!

what part? ministry trip?

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

what part? ministry trip?

I will be in the city of Trichur in the state of Kerala. Yes, we are having a Pastor's Conference there.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I will be in the city of Trichur in the state of Kerala. Yes, we are having a Pastor's Conference there.

I will be in Gujarat in May.

[Raven]

Keith and Elizabeth [Jeanie] it's great news that wonderful things are happening. Be like the bumble bee who scientists say shouldn't be able to fly and fly anyway. Revival will always defy the laws of "human dynamics"!

Raven

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Raven

Keith and Elizabeth [Jeanie] it's great news that wonderful things are happening. Be like the bumble bee who scientists say shouldn't be able to fly and fly anyway. Revival will always defy the laws of "human dynamics"!

Raven

Ah, a word in due season. Thanks!