Let Us Make Man: The Revelation

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The rich man who set out to build bigger barns spoke to his own soul and said, "soul..." That was not another personality or being. It was himself. I believe this is what God did in saying "LET US."

Luke 12:19 KJV And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So then if he was speaking to himself he must at least be two Gods with two images. OUR IMAGE.

If He was speaking to Himself He must be two gods? How do you figure? Have you ever talked to yourself and said "Let's see here"? What is "Let's"? LET US. Are you two persons? Or do you have a will that you can counsel with?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

If He was speaking to Himself He must be two gods? How do you figure? Have you ever talked to yourself and said "Let's see here"? What is "Let's"? LET US. Are you two persons? Or do you have a will that you can counsel with?

There are many examples of people talking to themselves in the Bible...

Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles, and the rulers, and said unto them, Ye exact usury, every one of his brother. And I set a great assembly against them. Neh 5:7

And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. Luke 12:19

"But when he came to his senses, he said, `How many of my father's hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! Luke 15:17 The prodigal son is speaking to himself.

[ManOfWord]

Pentateuch & Haftorahs, edited by J.H. Hertz pg 5 (a Jewish source work)

"To enhance the dignity of this last work and to mark the fact that man differs in kind from the animals, Scripture represents God a deliberating over the making of the human species. (Arbarbanel). It is not "let man be created" or "let man be made" but "let us make man."
The use of the plural, "let us make man" is the Hebrew idiomatic way of expressing deliberation, as in Gen. 11:7; or it is the plural of Majesty, royal commands being conveyed in the first person plural as in Ezra 4:18.

[Michael The Disciple]

Hey all,

I am not saying God could not talk to himself. Of course we all do.

Its what was SAID that is the point.

If God said to himself "let us make man after our image". If he IS speaking to himself then obviously he had an image to make men after.

Modern Oneness seems to nullfiy any meaning by first denying God spoke to anyone and at the same time denying he had an image....except of course to project his image into the future as Jesus.

But really you miss the point here.

WHO WAS THE ELOHIM who said "let us make man after our image"?

Hint-------15: And he blessed Joseph, and said, ELOHIM, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the ELOHIM which fed me all my life long unto this day,
16: The ANGEL which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. Gen. 48:15-16

When you understand that its clear.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Pentateuch & Haftorahs, edited by J.H. Hertz pg 5 (a Jewish source work)

"To enhance the dignity of this last work and to mark the fact that man differs in kind from the animals, Scripture represents God a deliberating over the making of the human species. (Arbarbanel). It is not "let man be created" or "let man be made" but "let us make man."
The use of the plural, "let us make man" is the Hebrew idiomatic way of expressing deliberation, as in Gen. 11:7; or it is the plural of Majesty, royal commands being conveyed in the first person plural as in Ezra 4:18.

Neither of those scriptures are strong to prove the point.

When God says "let us go down" chances are far better he spoke to angels. Just like here when he came down to see Abraham.




1: And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2: And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, Gen. 18:1-2

16: And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
17: And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; 18:16-17



22: And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 18:22

1: And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Gen. 19:1

Notice how that YHWH travels in the company of Angels? Does he not fellowship with them and counsel with them?

Observe:

18: Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.
19: And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.
20: Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
21: And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so. 2 Chronicles 18:18-21

Here is another example of YHWH having relationship with Angels.

So when we see "Let us go down" the so called "royal we" does not have to be in play.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

There are many examples of people talking to themselves in the Bible...

Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles, and the rulers, and said unto them, Ye exact usury, every one of his brother. And I set a great assembly against them. Neh 5:7

And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. Luke 12:19

"But when he came to his senses, he said, `How many of my father's hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! Luke 15:17 The prodigal son is speaking to himself.

Yes but they spoke to themSELVES as being an I,or a my as if they were one being. Yet God is supposed to be calling himself an us and an our!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Pentateuch & Haftorahs, edited by J.H. Hertz pg 5 (a Jewish source work)

"To enhance the dignity of this last work and to mark the fact that man differs in kind from the animals, Scripture represents God a deliberating over the making of the human species. (Arbarbanel). It is not "let man be created" or "let man be made" but "let us make man."
The use of the plural, "let us make man" is the Hebrew idiomatic way of expressing deliberation, as in Gen. 11:7; or it is the plural of Majesty, royal commands being conveyed in the first person plural as in Ezra 4:18.

I researched the same source and was excited to hear of Ezra 4:18's witness.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Neither of those scriptures are strong to prove the point.

When God says "let us go down" chances are far better he spoke to angels. Just like here when he came down to see Abraham.




1: And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2: And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, Gen. 18:1-2

16: And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
17: And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; 18:16-17



22: And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 18:22

1: And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Gen. 19:1

Notice how that YHWH travels in the company of Angels? Does he not fellowship with them and counsel with them?

Observe:

18: Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.
19: And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.
20: Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
21: And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so. 2 Chronicles 18:18-21

Here is another example of YHWH having relationship with Angels.

So when we see "Let us go down" the so called "royal we" does not have to be in play.

The main point was not so much those scriptures themselves as the Jewish viewpoint of the "Let us make man" scripture. Since God used the Jews to write His word, it is important that we understand their viewpoint. Truth is, we all need "Jewish Vision" to understand the scriptures clearly. IMO

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

The main point was not so much those scriptures themselves as the Jewish viewpoint of the "Let us make man" scripture. Since God used the Jews to write His word, it is important that we understand their viewpoint. Truth is, we all need "Jewish Vision" to understand the scriptures clearly. IMO

Well many Jewish teachers have taught that Elohim spoke to Angels "let us make man in our image".