JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!

[rrford]

MP!!!!!


When did you move to Omaha?

[PraiseHymn]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Point well taken.

However, I still do have issue with the statement that the ENTIRE congregation is carnal. I'm quite sure there are some good spiritual people there.

Mmm, OK, perhaps that was a little extreme, not the ENTIRE congregation...... I'll recant that statement.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think folks are being too hard on him.

If God has opened the door, He should walk through.


I pray that he doesn't compromise on anything CLEARLY BIBLICAL.

If he does I'll be a little let down, seriously. No, my confidence is not in him, it is in Jesus Christ. I'd just hate to see the man of God take down on something that he shouldn't.



If he does "take down", will his compromising give any kind of credence to the arguments made by the WPF'ers?

How do you know God opened this door? Every oppurtunity is not necessarily from God.

Did God open the door for the Whites to get divorced?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

And the "IF" can only be proven, or disproven, by time.

So, I'l reserve my assessments and let time tell the story.

Not necessarily. It's insane to think we have to jump at every opportunity before finding out if it was God's will or not.

How about prayer, the word of God? God has already given us wisdom and the direction we are to take. Often we don't need a special word from Got to know. I already know by the word of God not to enter into a sexual relationship with someone I am not married to by the word of God....but I would not doubt how confused our world is that there are some that think it might be God's will and way to find a wife if the opportunity presents itself

I think, as I said before, we need to rethink American Christianity again and the path and purpose for the church and all of us as Christians called to serve him

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I would tend to agree with this to a point.

But, if you look at the course a person's life is taking, or will take, solely on the friends they surround themselves with, you might not have predicted Peter's future, or Judas' future.

Before or after Peter was converted?

Can we see the Apostles in the same boat?

[TRFrance]

Its not for me to say he is in the will of God or not. In the end, time will tell.

I can see why some would have serious reservations about this; and I'm a wary of this situation myself, because it seems to me that the more popular with the secular world a preacher becomes, the more of a tendeny he has to start watering down and compromising certain things. I pray that Jakes doesnt fall into that trap.

However, like him or not, Jakes apprears to be in the process of becoming America's most prominent preacher, a position Billy Graham has held for decades. Whether you agree with him or not on some things, Jakes is baptized in Jesus name and Holy Ghost filled, and is now is a position to really be greatly be used by God in ways that no Pentecostal preacher has in our lifetime.

On one hand, Jakes could end up compromising, and thus do damage to the cause of the gospel in America. Or this could end up opening a door for the Word of God to reach my unchurched people, to the eventual salvation of many souls. Either way, none of us really knows. Time will tell. So if anything, I think we should reserve judgment for now, and keep the man in our prayers.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How do you know God opened this door? Every oppurtunity is not necessarily from God.

Did God open the door for the Whites to get divorced?

You dont know that God didn't open that door. So isnt it best to reserve judgment, rather than for us to criticize the man?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Not necessarily. It's insane to think we have to jump at every opportunity before finding out if it was God's will or not.

How about prayer, the word of God? God has already given us wisdom and the direction we are to take. Often we don't need a special word from Got to know. I already know by the word of God not to enter into a sexual relationship with someone I am not married to by the word of God....but I would not doubt how confused our world is that there are some that think it might be God's will and way to find a wife if the opportunity presents itself

I think, as I said before, we need to rethink American Christianity again and the path and purpose for the church and all of us as Christians called to serve him

You almost seem to assume that he hasn't prayed about this.
What if it turns out he did pray, and he felt it was God's will? What would you say then?

Originally Posted by Ferd

Ive defended TDJ around these parts from time to time.

but I just cant see how this is going to end well for Chiristianity.

I gots me a bad feeling about this.

I know what you mean.

Hosting a TV show 5 days a week , plus pastoring a church of 28,000+ people at the same time seems like a lot for one man to be doing. I cant say I have a good feeling about this either. It's definitely something to keep an eye on, that's for sure. But I dont think we should assume the worst right away though.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Its not for me to say he is in the will of God or not. In the end, time will tell.

I can see why some would have serious reservations about this; and I'm a wary of this situation myself, because it seems to me that the more popular with the secular world a preacher becomes, the more of a tendeny he has to start watering down and compromising certain things. I pray that Jakes doesnt fall into that trap.

However, like him or not, Jakes apprears to be in the process of becoming America's most prominent preacher, a position Billy Graham has held for decades. Whether you agree with him or not on some things, Jakes is baptized in Jesus name and Holy Ghost filled, and is now is a position to really be greatly be used by God in ways that no Pentecostal preacher has in our lifetime.

On one hand, Jakes could end up compromising, and thus do damage to the cause of the gospel in America. Or this could end up opening a door for the Word of God to reach my unchurched people, to the eventual salvation of many souls. Either way, none of us really knows. Time will tell. So if anything, I think we should reserve judgment for now, and keep the man in our prayers.

As much as I disagree with Billy Graham's theology, there is no comparison.

I SERIOUSLY doubt any mainstream network is going to have a Preacher show. T.D. is going to dispense, if anything, religious neutral psycho babble just like Dr Phil does. Dr Phil is also a Christian, but he does not teach or preach a gospel on his show. It's purely a secular endeaver

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You dont know that God didn't open that door. So isnt it best to reserve judgment, rather than for us to criticize the man?

First of all I didn't say God DIDN'T do anything. Second I also did not criticise T.D. Jakes. Third of all I can express my opinion just as much as anyone else and also be concerned about the state of Christianity in America and it has nothing to do with judgement. Good grief, we just spend a year judging and criticising Obama and suddenly it's wrong? America has been bullied by the PC crowd to the point that we can't even express reservations about such things as this without being accused of being critical of a man or sitting in judgement?

You almost seem to assume that he hasn't prayed about this.

Here we go again..."you almost seem"...really? How close did I get? Cuz next time I don't want to leave any doubt to your imagination. You know, ANYONE can pray and still get it wrong. The issue here is NOT T.D. Jakes. YOU are the one trying to make it personal...personal about him and now personal about me. Maybe you should take your own medicine about criticising and judgement. Im concerned about my nation and the state of Christianity in general. I will not be bullied by the left leaning PC crowd with their accusations of being judgemental or whatever as I look at the crumbling state of our nation and American Christianity in general and just sit back as another "star" is born.

What if it turns out he did pray, and he felt it was God's will? What would you say then?

Again you assume I assumed he did not pray. BTW...FELT??? FELT??? Feelings are not supposed to be the light for our pathway. A lot of people FELT Jim Jones was a man of God. A lot of people FELT they should die in Waco. Can you be objective? Step back and look at my points and think about them. Think about our model, the word of God. Are we in the right direction? What we have going on here is pure Americanism. Consumerism. We need revival, not talk shows. Let's get back to the Word, not our feelings.

Hosting a TV show 5 days a week , plus pastoring a church of 28,000+ people at the same time seems like a lot for one man to be doing. I cant say I have a good feeling about this either. It's definitely something to keep an eye on, that's for sure. But I dont think we should assume the worst right away though.

That Jakes is a good guy, that he is a man of God, does not prevent him from making mistakes, even BIG ones OR giving into some of the strongest temptations known to man. This is NOT about Jakes. This is about an issue and the more people jump the gun and get on the defensive and start making this personal the less and less people are going to see the real issue...

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

As much as I disagree with Billy Graham's theology, there is no comparison.

I SERIOUSLY doubt any mainstream network is going to have a Preacher show. T.D. is going to dispense, if anything, religious neutral psycho babble just like Dr Phil does. Dr Phil is also a Christian, but he does not teach or preach a gospel on his show. It's purely a secular endeaver

You're missing my point.
In many ways, the two men are as different as night and day. Yes, we know that.

However, for decades, Billy Graham has been the face of American Christianity to many Americans. And the evangelical movement has benefited because of it. (And at this point, the sun is pretty much setting on the career and influence of Billy Graham.)

Yet, never has a preacher of Apostolic/Pentecostal background risen to the level of prominence Jakes is reaching. His prominence, assuming he doesnt go "off track" could be a good thing for the Pentecostal message; that's all I'm saying.

I know the show is not going to be a "preacher show"... (Jakes has a degree in Psychology, making it even more likely this will just be a general "advice" program) . But if God is in this, the increase in national exposure Jakes that will receive from this TV show could still be net positive for the furtherance of the gospel.