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Old 11-12-2008, 08:07 PM
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Exactly. Suddenly we have Republicans like Broun of Georgia coming out of the wordwork ready to defend this imagined assault on their freedom, when in fact, they've been a party to butchering the Constitution over the last 5 years.
I guess you don't like what I posted or possibly you missed my factoids on the Patriot Act and if the Government can listen in on your conversations without Court approval.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:12 PM
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Re: Obama's Secret Police Forces-Antipas

Interesting article about the law signed last year. It does state that the government could eavesdrop without prior court approval. I'm not sure if it is still in effect or if it was a temporary measure or if the public outcry killed it.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/...rica/06nsa.php
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:24 PM
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The facts about warrantless wiretaps:

Each application for one of these surveillance warrants (called a FISA warrant) is made before an individual judge of the court. Like a grand jury, FISC is not an adversarial court: the federal government is the only party to its proceedings. However, the court may allow third parties to submit briefs as amici curiae. When the Attorney General determines that an emergency exists he may authorize the emergency employment of electronic surveillance before obtaining the necessary authorization from the FISA court, after which the Attorney General or his designee must notify a judge of the court not more than 72 hours after the Attorney General authorizes such surveillance.[2]
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I guess you don't like what I posted or possibly you missed my factoids on the Patriot Act and if the Government can listen in on your conversations without Court approval.

I saw your post Keith and I also understand that even when this "individual judge of the court" was the common procedure it had no concepts of an "adversarial court". Adversarial (defense/prosecution, plantiff/defendent) court proceedings are the very basis of our judicial system. If you don't have an adversarial court you have some other creature all together. In other words, the government could go into their court with their judge and make their case and the U.S. citizen had no right to present his/her case. So this appointed, special grand poopaaa judge was the only decider on whether you could present your case or not on his whim.

That was of course before the new law was passed last year, which Tstew points too, that in fact makes no warrant, not even from the special judge, necessary to tap my phone. Warrantless searches and seizures are unconstitutional and should be done away with.

I respect your opinion on the matter, but I have problems with constitutional rights being infringed upon.
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