Free will versus reality!

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Fair enough... So what is the question your wanting to ask? If your wanting a 100% pure Arminian answer- I'm your man! If you want to go in psychological rabbit trails, try Freud's Interpretation of Dreams...

-Bro. Alex

Excuse me?

This is no place to be making uncalled for blows to someones profession.

I am asking you a question because you are Arminian in your views and a Calvinist would not be able to answer this because of their views.

Because you believe in free will of the human, how much of that free will do you believe is dictated by conditioning, in other words how much of that free will do you believe is limited by precepts cause by rewards and punishment?

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Excuse me?

This is no place to be making uncalled for blows to someones profession.

I am asking you a question because you are Arminian in your views and a Calvinist would not be able to answer this because of their views.

Because you believe in free will of the human, how much of that free will do you believe is dictated by conditioning, in other words how much of that free will do you believe is limited by precepts cause by rewards and punishment?

I was not bashing you, I just felt you were not being specific enough in your questioning. I'm at a computer lounge in my college now, and someone is needing to use this computer, so I have to go, but I will post later.

-Bro. Alex

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I was not bashing you, I just felt you were not being specific enough in your questioning. I'm at a computer lounge in my college now, and someone is needing to use this computer, so I have to go, but I will post later.

-Bro. Alex

Normally when someone is asking for a more specific question they don't start telling them to ask someone else... It's not my fault you don't understand the question... just ask for me to be more specific.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Sin brought death. If you have a universe that's 4.6 billion years old, and dinosaurs died 65 million years ago, before man came upon the face of this world 200,000 years ago, then you have death taking place before Adam's sin. All these big numbers are taken from the evolutionist's theory of course, I believe the world is around 6,000 years old.

-Bro. Alex

Scripture reference regarding sin bringing death?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Can we not talk about evolution in this thread start a new thread instead of hijacking. BTW you are making ridiculous assumptions in your post that deserve some attention in a new thread, but I am not willing to start a new one and go down that road again, so you do it.

Welcome to the internet.

I'm still following the original thread, but this new baby one too. lol

I still have no idea what you're actually asking though. It's a subject that's interesting to me..but..I can't really contribute too well blindly.

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Scripture reference regarding sin bringing death?

I think he is referring to death as the punishment of sin... which is true but evolution does not mean death came before sin.

The Darwinian view of common ancestry is often equated to evolution... this is not true and is completely irrelevant to evolution.

But I ask that we move on... there is an evolution thread, I linked to it earlier on... please comment on these topics there and leave this thread to the one at hand.

[Steve Epley]

Foreknowledge and free-will compliment each other. Although God knows who will be saved He yet died for ALL and offered salvation to ALL. But man makes the final choice. When Abraham sent his servant to find a wife for Issac her only quailifier declared was that 'she must be willing to go.' The YES was up to her. She was the chosen of the servant which had been directed by an angel but she ALONE made the final choice. "I will go." The Lord found her-sent the precious stones to purchase her-sent the camel train to take her to see her husband she had never seen in a land she had never been BUT she had to say "I will go." HE provides EVERYTHING but the YES but He doesn't provide that. I will quit preaching now. HE chose me and I said yes.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Excuse me?

This is no place to be making uncalled for blows to someones profession.

I am asking you a question because you are Arminian in your views and a Calvinist would not be able to answer this because of their views.

Because you believe in free will of the human, how much of that free will do you believe is dictated by conditioning, in other words how much of that free will do you believe is limited by precepts cause by rewards and punishment?

Those things are affected by however much their free will allows them to be affected by these things. I was raised in a non-religious (for the most part) household, and my conditioning should have led me to some mixture of agnosticism-Congregationalism, but I, in my free will, sought the LORD, and the LORD drew me to HIMSELF and here I am today.

-Bro. Alex

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Those things are affected by however much their free will allows them to be affected by these things. I was raised in a non-religious (for the most part) household, and my conditioning should have led me to some mixture of agnosticism-Congregationalism, but I, in my free will, sought the LORD, and the LORD drew me to HIMSELF and here I am today.

-Bro. Alex

You are making some unnecessary assumptions and also going against the Arminian view... if God drew you to him then you had no free will in the matter. Sorry to burst you 100% Arminian bubble.

Just because your family was not religious doesn't mean that you were not conditioned to attend church... the point of my argument has nothing to with with your salvation but your lifestyle.... If heaven is a reward then that is a the ultimate reward... anyway my question is how much of your life is dictated by punishment and reward AKA functionality?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

It's either all God, or it's not.

"work out your own salvation" what does that mean?