Is God Free to Not Chose to Love and Save All...? - Page 5

crakjak · #41 03-31-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I agree. My comments were around the idea that God would save
all no matter the sinful condition they may stay in....

A common misconception about universal reconciliation, is that God will just save everyone no matter what. The heart of this view is that God will continue to pursue until every prodigal comes home, and every lost sheep is found.

Harmony · #42 04-01-2007, 07:50 AM

Very good thread! I have had this very question. I get overwhelmed by the thought of the billions of people that are currently on this earth as well as the ones that have passed on. Are the 99.9% all going to Hell because they didn't believe acts 2:38? Did Jesus shed his blood for so few?

I am sorry to say this, but it has been my life experience that there are more ways to loose your salvation then there are to obtain it in the UPC churches I have gone to. The whole point is to live in such a perfect way as not to loose it.....yet no one is perfect

crakjak · #43 04-01-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmony

Very good thread! I have had this very question. I get overwhelmed by the thought of the billions of people that are currently on this earth as well as the ones that have passed on. Are the 99.9% all going to Hell because they didn't believe acts 2:38? Did Jesus shed his blood for so few?

I am sorry to say this, but it has been my life experience that there are more ways to loose your salvation then there are to obtain it in the UPC churches I have gone to. The whole point is to live in such a perfect way as not to loose it.....yet no one is perfect

I was raised UPC and have no ax to grind, however the idea that the vast majority of God's creation were to spend billions of years in torment just did not resonate in my spirit. The more I prayed about it the more I desired to know God as He really is, rather than as tradition and religion portraits Him. If you can just reach the point to ask the question, "could it possible be God purpose to redeem all His creation?" Then as you study scripture pray the question, it is there all the time, no need to avoid the Word, it is there.

What an awesome God!!! Then you will begin to see others in a totally new light, the light of God's love. Even His severity has a purpose, to cure, to purge and to redeem. No one will escape judgment, the setting of things right.

"Then none will say, 'know the Lord', for all shall know Him from the least to the greatest." "...every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Yes, these are quotes from scripture.

crakjak · #44 04-01-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb

When ever I read this thread title, I am reminded of the words of the song...

God could have chosen to never love again...

But that, my dear sister would ultimately be impossible, because our great God is LOVE.

Jekyll · #45 04-01-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I was raised UPC and have no ax to grind, however the idea that the vast majority of God's creation were to spend billions of years in torment just did not resonate in my spirit. The more I prayed about it the more I desired to know God as He really is, rather than as tradition and religion portraits Him. If you can just reach the point to ask the question, "could it possible be God purpose to redeem all His creation?" Then as you study scripture pray the question, it is there all the time, no need to avoid the Word, it is there.

What an awesome God!!! Then you will begin to see others in a totally new light, the light of God's love. Even His severity has a purpose, to cure, to purge and to redeem. No one will escape judgment, the setting of things right.

"Then none will say, 'know the Lord', for all shall know Him from the least to the greatest." "...every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Yes, these are quotes from scripture.

Of course God can make it possible for all of humanity to be saved from hell...He did just that through Calvary and by living inside of us. Those who reject those gifts have rejected God, He hasn't rejected us...

David said one time that he would not offer to God that which has cost him nothing. It is a sacrifice of sorts to serve God. Jesus' death is for nothing if the scripture reads, "for all have sinned but don't fall short of the glory of God"

crakjak · #46 04-01-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

Of course God can make it possible for all of humanity to be saved from hell...He did just that through Calvary and by living inside of us. Those who reject those gifts have rejected God, He hasn't rejected us...

David said one time that he would not offer to God that which has cost him nothing. It is a sacrifice of sorts to serve God. Jesus' death is for nothing if the scripture reads, "for all have sinned but don't fall short of the glory of God"

If there had not been a debt to be paid Jesus would not have died. Since He died the debt has been paid. What sacrifice can we make that can help with the debt Jesus has already paid.

The task is for people to come to understand what Jesus has done, because they don't know they languish in sin, perishing.

Jekyll · #47 04-01-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

If there had not been a debt to be paid Jesus would not have died. Since He died the debt has been paid. What sacrifice can we make that can help with the debt Jesus has already paid.

The task is for people to come to understand what Jesus has done, because they don't know they languish in sin, perishing.

Ahhhhh...once saved always saved, eh?

#48 04-01-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I have been posting what I think about this subject, just wondering if you had any input?

Sure but it cost you....

I think I'll just view for now.

#49 04-01-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I was raised UPC and have no ax to grind, however the idea that the vast majority of God's creation were to spend billions of years in torment just did not resonate in my spirit. The more I prayed about it the more I desired to know God as He really is, rather than as tradition and religion portraits Him. If you can just reach the point to ask the question, "could it possible be God purpose to redeem all His creation?" Then as you study scripture pray the question, it is there all the time, no need to avoid the Word, it is there.

What an awesome God!!! Then you will begin to see others in a totally new light, the light of God's love. Even His severity has a purpose, to cure, to purge and to redeem. No one will escape judgment, the setting of things right.

"Then none will say, 'know the Lord', for all shall know Him from the least to the greatest." "...every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Yes, these are quotes from scripture.

I tend to agree with you here...

crakjak · #50 04-02-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

Ahhhhh...once saved always saved, eh?

I would not define it as such. Rather I would define it as universal reconciliation. That is why , according to Paul, our destiny "...depends not on human WILL or exertion, but on God who shows mercy" (Rom. 9.16); it is also why the New Testament generally credits even repentance (2 Tim. 2.25), faith (Eph. 2.8), and belief (Acts 13.48) to the WORK OF GOD within.

In other words, our destiny depends much more on what God has done than what we do. Our works in the earth will be called to account to see what they are made of, if it is of God we will be rewarded accordingly. If our works are not of God they will all be burned up, however we will be saved "how be it by fire."

We are called to repentance and obedience, so we can enter into God's life now by grace thru faith, or we will go thru the fire.