I'm not supporting McCain and Palin but to be completely fair, she never said that it was a Holy war. She was asking the congregation to pray that it "is a task from God".
Her quote was:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."
She clearly goes back after saying "task that is from God" and states plainly that's what we have to be "praying for". Her praying for that outcome is sufficient proof that she isn't declaring definitely that it as a task from God.
There are plenty of reasons to not support Sarah Palin as VP but this isn't one, IMO.
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I'm not supporting McCain and Palin but to be completely fair, she never said that it was a Holy war. She was asking the congregation to pray that it "is a task from God".
Her quote was:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."
She clearly goes back after saying "task that is from God" and states plainly that's what we have to be "praying for". Her praying for that outcome is proof that she isn't declaring that it as an absolute task from God.
You're forgetting that she was addressing her church in Wasilla, and that their (and her) Senior Pastor teaches that Iraq is God's war, and that they are into C. Peter Wagner's group, and that Wagner's group advocates Dominion Theology, and that many in that group believe that the Church is mandated to fight wars for Israel to expand her borders so that Jesus can return. When all that is taken into account, her prayer was more pointed than your claiming.
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere. -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
Palin's comments at her church was not referring to Iraq as a "holy war", so that claim has already been discredited, both on that thread you referenced, and elsewhere. .
McCain has never made any comment even close to that.
And neither of them have ever said that Iraq or any war we are in is supposed to "usher in the coming of Jesus Christ".
You have made claims that are simply not true. Maybe you should simply acknowledge that, and move on.
PS..
Its probably a good idea to be more responsible when attributing remarks to someone, just in case it turns out that they didn't actually say what you say they did.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
You're forgetting that she was addressing her church in Wasilla, and that their (and her) Senior Pastor teaches that Iraq is God's war, and that they are into C. Peter Wagner's group, and that Wagner's group advocates Dominion Theology, and that many in that group believe that the Church is mandated to fight wars for Israel to expand her borders so that Jesus can return. When all that is taken into account, her prayer was more pointed than your claiming.
TK...once you find the quote where Palin and/or McCain claimed that we're in a war that will usher in the coming of the Lord, we'll be happy to see it.
If you're trying to to the guilt-by-association thing to link her to "Dominion Theology",(via her chuch, via her pastor, via C Peter Wagner, etc) that is still not going to work, and I think you know that by now. It still doesnt address the issue that I raised regarding your previous post.
The bottom line is, You said Sarah Palin said something... which apparently she didn't say.
Sarah Palin has had more lies told against her in this short period of time than any other politician I can remember in my lifetime.
As Apostolics, we should not be contributing to this, nor trafficking in innuendo and inaccurate information. The truth should matter to us, at all times
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
As Apostolics, we should not be contributing to this, nor trafficking in innuendo and inaccurate information. The truth should matter to us, at all times
I'll Amen that preaching all day long. TR, while your preaching on that would you slip over to the political forum and preach to some of those who are STILL claiming Obama is Muslim.
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Palin's comments at her church was not referring to Iraq as a "holy war", so that claim has already been discredited, both on that thread you referenced, and elsewhere. .
McCain has never made any comment even close to that.
And neither of them have ever said that Iraq or any war we are in is supposed to "usher in the coming of Jesus Christ".
You have made claims that are simply not true. Maybe you should simply acknowledge that, and move on.
PS..
Its probably a good idea to be more responsible when attributing remarks to someone, just in case it turns out that they didn't actually say what you say they did.
First off, don't be so angry.
Second, if you're going to call me "sir," please do so without spitting.
Now to your post: your claim that what I reported was discredited is simply untrue. Nowhere in either of those threads did this occur. Maybe wishfully thinking on your part made it appear so, but it did not factually happen.
Also, if you knew anything about C. Peter Wagner's group, you would know that what I'm saying is of real concern. And there is more than adequate evidence linking Palin's Wasilla church to Wagner. Consequently, there is little doubt that she is indoctrinated with their beliefs.
Don’t allow cognitive dissonance to cloud what’s transpiring in plain view. She went to a church that believes Iraq is God’s war. This is what Wagner believes. It is God’s war because Iraq is in the way of Israel’s expanded borders. These must be conquered before Jesus can “come again.” That is what Palin’s church teaches. That is what Palin was taught. That is what Palin therefore believes.
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere. -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
I'll Amen that preaching all day long. TR, while your preaching on that would you slip over to the political forum and preach to some of those who are STILL claiming Obama is Muslim.
I'm on record already on this forum expressing the same sentiment concerning that issue, multiple times.
And in my mind, the "Obama is a Muslim" thing has long been widely discredited. Obviously there are some on AFF who keep perpetuating that canard , but I'm not going to go railing against that every time I see it.
There will always people who choose to believe it. So be it.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
TK...once you find the quote where Palin and/or McCain claimed that we're in a war that will usher in the coming of the Lord, we'll be happy to see it.
If you're trying to to the guilt-by-association thing to link her to "Dominion Theology",(via her chuch, via her pastor, via C Peter Wagner, etc) that is still not going to work, and I think you know that by now. It still doesnt address the issue that I raised regarding your previous post.
The bottom line is, You said Sarah Palin said something... which apparently she didn't say.
Sarah Palin has had more lies told against her in this short period of time than any other politician I can remember in my lifetime.
As Apostolics, we should not be contributing to this, nor trafficking in innuendo and inaccurate information. The truth should matter to us, at all times
I find it fascinating that some of the same ones claiming Obama's supposed association with Muslims disqualifies him, also claim Palin’s associations have no effect on her. Such inconsistency sure smacks at a double-standard to me….
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere. -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
Second, if you're going to call me "sir," please do so without spitting.
Now to your post: your claim that what I reported was discredited is simply untrue. Nowhere in either of those threads did this occur. Maybe wishfully thinking on your part made it appear so, but it did not factually happen.
Also, if you knew anything about C. Peter Wagner's group, you would know that what I'm saying is of real concern. And there is more than adequate evidence linking Palin's Wasilla church to Wagner. Consequently, there is little doubt that she is indoctrinated with their beliefs.
Don’t allow cognitive dissonance to cloud what’s transpiring in plain view. She went to a church that believes Iraq is God’s war. This is what Wagner believes. It is God’s war because Iraq is in the way of Israel’s expanded borders. These must be conquered before Jesus can “come again.” That is what Palin’s church teaches. That is what Palin was taught. That is what Palin therefore believes.
"There is little doubt..." , you say?
No sir, au contraire...
There, however, little doubt that your ideological blinders are causing you to see what you're already predisposed to seeing. But I think if I spent my time arguing this point by point I'd probably be wasting my time. So I'll just let it go at that.
With that, I'll bid you good night...sir (see, I'm smiling this time, not "spitting"!)
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
Rather than having us go through an entire thread to figure out which facts you referred to and then research to see if they are even true, can you just post them here?
I already discovered the so called war that is "God's will" by Palin was a misquote out of context
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Such inconsistency sure smacks at a double-standard to me….
(see, I'm smiling this time, not "spitting"!)
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