The Trouble With Patience

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by rrford

"When I was a child I spake as a child, I understood as a chuild, I thought as a child. But when I became a MAN I put away childish things."

Notice the progression: As a child one speaks without understanding or thinking. In time there may be a modicum of understanding based upon experience and observation but eventually thought develops and then the process should be reversed.

In other words, at maturity one thinks until they understand. Then, and only then, do they speak.

It is time to move beyond the teenage years of Foreign Missions into adulthood. Adults allow other folks to mature and then live on their own with background support only.

you know we could use Burma as a model. I dont know if we ever actually went in there but Brother Bui who is from there, started that work by himself and it has flurished with very little help.

I think you are on to something. Spending more time finding and teaching workers from some country, then supporting them is far more effective than what we are doing now.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rrford

It is the idea of course. BUt then again so is good stewardship. I personally would like to see a good track record of monies invested and returns from our Stewardship dept. before such an unudertaking in-house.

I have a feeling that it would actually cost less to let an outside entity handle it. As well as covering the ethical side of the issue.

Okay, I'll confess I am shocked at your level of honesty. But I agree.

Hey, everyone else is outsourcing, why not us?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Ferd

LOL! PP, im a big idea guy. the details would need to be handled by someone else.

Well, the purpose of this thread was to incite "ideas". I like the way you think Bro. Your ideas are just as good as some of the lame-brained stuff I've seen eminating from..... well, never mind.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Okay, I'll confess I am shocked at your level of honesty. But I agree.

Hey, everyone else is outsourcing, why not us?

In all honesty, whether I am honest or not does not change the situation. It is what it is. I would prefer that more would be honest in discussion. Without that level of discussion critical change will never take place.

[Nahum]

2. I would like to see a more stringent licensing process implemented.

I think it would do us good to limit the number of times men can come in and out of the organization. I think there should be minimum education requirements and/or testing. I also think we should rethink our anti-restoration attitude for ministers.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

2. I would like to see a more stringent licensing process implemented.

I think it would do us good to limit the number of times men can come in and out of the organization. I think there should be minimum education requirements and/or testing. I also think we should rethink our anti-restoration attitude for ministers.

For the most part I agree. especially on the licensing. I would also like to see continuing education be required.

As for the restoration part, we probably are not toally on the same page with that one.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

2. I would like to see a more stringent licensing process implemented.

I think it would do us good to limit the number of times men can come in and out of the organization. I think there should be minimum education requirements and/or testing. I also think we should rethink our anti-restoration attitude for ministers.

I guess you prefer a man made minister instead of a God given talent where education really isn't an issue, if you talk to Peter he may can help you understand how an unlearned fisherman could actually have the keys to the Kingdom.

This is what is wrong with the organization now. TOO MANY RULES!!!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rrford

For the most part I agree. especially on the licensing. I would also like to see continuing education be required.

As for the restoration part, we probably are not toally on the same page with that one.

Not everyone can afford continuing education, no matter how nice it may be.

Then why should they be taught someone's personal opinions???

If just Bible was being taught and history of it, I agree, IF they can afford it.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Esther

I guess you prefer a man made minister instead of a God given talent where education really isn't an issue, if you talk to Peter he may can help you understand how an unlearned fisherman could actually have the keys to the Kingdom.

This is what is wrong with the organization now. TOO MANY RULES!!!

Esther, I think you missed his point entirely. It is not the Simon's that there is an issue with. It is those that are licensed that have no idea what they are preaching is not true.

Minimum education deos not mean college degree; it does mean the organization should supply education that is required before a man can be licensed or advance in licensing.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Esther

Not everyone can afford continuing education, no matter how nice it may be.

Then why should they be taught someone's personal opinions???

If just Bible was being taught and history of it, I agree, IF they can afford it.

Again, continuing education provided by the organization is wehat I am speaking of.