Palin Investigation Tainted

[Pressing-On]

"The proof is in the pudding," Palin said. "He didn't fire anybody. The trooper is still a trooper."

You know, he wasn't a shining example and he still has his job. That does not look like pressure to me.

I guess we'll have to see if any phones records or emails show up proving different.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by tstew

She fired her Chief of Police as mayor of Wasilla. The firing of the Public Safety Director was a seperate issue when she was governor. In both cases people are alleging that the firings were revenge for interpersonal issues not related to their jobs.

that might be true actually...but in some cases if you have a city official that does not see your vision you might want to get rid of them

Here in LA when the school district Sups did not see the Mayor's vision he collected enough votes to put the schools under his authorit

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by tstew

Part of the issue is that she was saying that her office was not involved at all. Then it was shown that dozens of calls were placed from her staffers which she acknowledged. Then ultimately the fired guy was saying that he was contacted by Palin and her husband directly and pressured to fire the brother-in-law. Also, I think that the issue was that normally a governor would not be so involved in whether a trooper was fired (if he wasn't the former BIL)

Tstew, I do appreciate your perspective.

Now, I am no Obama fan. Like CC1, I mostly consider him an "empty suit."

But while on the whole, oneness pentecostalism is a dying movement, one piece of good evolution is reflected on this board in that apostolics like you and Dan Alicea have different political perspectives than most apostolics who poll-parrot the political right wing.

I mean there are Baptists and Catholics that run the political gamut from liberal to conservative, republican to democrat so why not apostolics if the movement is truly diverse and viable?

I am rather amused and a little disgusted at this nonsense that Ferd, CC1 and a few others propagate that the Republican party is "God's Party" and one could not be a Democrat and be a christian.

Now, I have plenty of disgust these days for both major parties and many minor ones. I tend to pretty much ignore politics because most all politicians are full of bull manure and say what is needed to get elected.

But: the republicans are once again the party of the rich elitists who constantly con right-wing working-class religious people (many on this board) to constantly vote republican by using scare tactics such as the gays are going to invade their bedroom and force them into an orgy or something.

That's one of the biggest pieces of nonsense propagated on this board - the notion that the Republicans are "God's Party."

So Tstew, were I an apostolic, I'd consider it a sign of maturity in my movement that you, Dan and others show that even apostolics can be diverse politically.

[Pressing-On]

It is hardly surprising that young people prefer the political left. The only reason for rejecting the left's vision is that the real world in which we live is very different from the world that the left perceives today or envisions for tomorrow.

Most of us learn that from experience-- but experience is precisely what the young are lacking.

The agenda of the left is fine for the world that they envision as existing today and the world they want to create tomorrow.

That is a world not hemmed in on all sides by inherent constraints and the painful trade-offs that these constraints imply. Theirs is a world where there are attractive, win-win "solutions" in place of those ugly trade-offs in the world that the rest of us live in.

Thomas Sowell

Now that makes sense.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Tstew, I do appreciate your perspective.

Now, I am no Obama fan. Like CC1, I mostly consider him an "empty suit."

But while on the whole, oneness pentecostalism is a dying movement, one piece of good evolution is reflected on this board in that apostolics like you and Dan Alicea have different political perspectives than most apostolics who poll-parrot the political right wing.

I mean there are Baptists and Catholics that run the political gamut from liberal to conservative, republican to democrat so why not apostolics if the movement is truly diverse and viable?

I am rather amused and a little disgusted at this nonsense that Ferd, CC1 and a few others propagate that the Republican party is "God's Party" and one could not be a Democrat and be a christian.

Now, I have plenty of disgust these days for both major parties and many minor ones. I tend to pretty much ignore politics because most all politicians are full of bull manure and say what is needed to get elected.

But: the republicans are once again the party of the rich elitists who constantly con right-wing working-class religious people (many on this board) to constantly vote republican by using scare tactics such as the gays are going to invade their bedroom and force them into an orgy or something.

That's one of the biggest pieces of nonsense propagated on this board - the notion that the Republicans are "God's Party."

So Tstew, were I an apostolic, I'd consider it a sign of maturity in my movement that you, Dan and others show that even apostolics can be diverse politically.

Oneness Pentecostalism to be a dying movement? I think not.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

(And why am I not surprised that someone who apparently considers himself non-Apostolic/ex-apostolic would utter such sentiments ?)

Anyway... it is what it is.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Tstew, I do appreciate your perspective.

Now, I am no Obama fan. Like CC1, I mostly consider him an "empty suit."

But while on the whole, oneness pentecostalism is a dying movement, one piece of good evolution is reflected on this board in that apostolics like you and Dan Alicea have different political perspectives than most apostolics who poll-parrot the political right wing.

I mean there are Baptists and Catholics that run the political gamut from liberal to conservative, republican to democrat so why not apostolics if the movement is truly diverse and viable?

I am rather amused and a little disgusted at this nonsense that Ferd, CC1 and a few others propagate that the Republican party is "God's Party" and one could not be a Democrat and be a christian.

Now, I have plenty of disgust these days for both major parties and many minor ones. I tend to pretty much ignore politics because most all politicians are full of bull manure and say what is needed to get elected.

But: the republicans are once again the party of the rich elitists who constantly con right-wing working-class religious people (many on this board) to constantly vote republican by using scare tactics such as the gays are going to invade their bedroom and force them into an orgy or something.

That's one of the biggest pieces of nonsense propagated on this board - the notion that the Republicans are "God's Party."

So Tstew, were I an apostolic, I'd consider it a sign of maturity in my movement that you, Dan and others show that even apostolics can be diverse politically.

Now that is nonesense!

But I don't think the Republicans are God's party nor have I heard anyone else say that.

What we have said is the Democrats are the extreme opposite of what Christians should be standing for.

Christians should NOT be for abortion.
Christians should NOT be for gay lifestyles.

But the Repulicans have their issues as well and if anyone thinks the Democrats are for the poor folks they need to think again.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Tstew, I do appreciate your perspective.

Now, I am no Obama fan. Like CC1, I mostly consider him an "empty suit."

But while on the whole, oneness pentecostalism is a dying movement, one piece of good evolution is reflected on this board in that apostolics like you and Dan Alicea have different political perspectives than most apostolics who poll-parrot the political right wing.

I mean there are Baptists and Catholics that run the political gamut from liberal to conservative, republican to democrat so why not apostolics if the movement is truly diverse and viable?

I am rather amused and a little disgusted at this nonsense that Ferd, CC1 and a few others propagate that the Republican party is "God's Party" and one could not be a Democrat and be a christian.

Now, I have plenty of disgust these days for both major parties and many minor ones. I tend to pretty much ignore politics because most all politicians are full of bull manure and say what is needed to get elected.

But: the republicans are once again the party of the rich elitists who constantly con right-wing working-class religious people (many on this board) to constantly vote republican by using scare tactics such as the gays are going to invade their bedroom and force them into an orgy or something.

That's one of the biggest pieces of nonsense propagated on this board - the notion that the Republicans are "God's Party."

So Tstew, were I an apostolic, I'd consider it a sign of maturity in my movement that you, Dan and others show that even apostolics can be diverse politically.

Timlan, I appreciate most of your sentiment. While I do not believe that oneness pentecostalism is necessarily dying, I do believe that there is some relationship to what's happening in the political scene. In a nutshell, I believe that rhetorical dogma has a short shelf-life and rarely lasts more than a generation.
I am not a Democrat and am starting to be opposed to the concept of "committed party member no matter what" in general. There is very little common sense and balance in our political discussions these days in my opinion because everybody is so partisan and at the end of the day they will see things through the lense of their Party (sounds a little like Old Russia to me).

I do resist the notion that it is my Christian duty to blindly support the GOP due to their rhetoric. I do believe that they use certain rhetorical positions as a lever and a way to avoid true accountability.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by tstew

Timlan, I appreciate most of your sentiment. While I do not believe that oneness pentecostalism is necessarily dying, I do believe that there is some relationship to what's happening in the political scene. In a nutshell, I believe that rhetorical dogma has a short shelf-life and rarely lasts more than a generation.
I am not a Democrat and am starting to be opposed to the concept of "committed party member no matter what" in general. There is very little common sense and balance in our political discussions these days in my opinion because everybody is so partisan and at the end of the day they will see things through the lense of their Party (sounds a little like Old Russia to me).

I do resist the notion that it is my Christian duty to blindly support the GOP due to their rhetoric. I do believe that they use certain rhetorical positions as a lever and a way to avoid true accountability.

I vote the person not the party, which I why I rarely ever pull a straight ticket.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Tstew, I do appreciate your perspective.

Now, I am no Obama fan. Like CC1, I mostly consider him an "empty suit."

But while on the whole, oneness pentecostalism is a dying movement, one piece of good evolution is reflected on this board in that apostolics like you and Dan Alicea have different political perspectives than most apostolics who poll-parrot the political right wing.

I mean there are Baptists and Catholics that run the political gamut from liberal to conservative, republican to democrat so why not apostolics if the movement is truly diverse and viable?

I am rather amused and a little disgusted at this nonsense that Ferd, CC1 and a few others propagate that the Republican party is "God's Party" and one could not be a Democrat and be a christian.

Now, I have plenty of disgust these days for both major parties and many minor ones. I tend to pretty much ignore politics because most all politicians are full of bull manure and say what is needed to get elected.

But: the republicans are once again the party of the rich elitists who constantly con right-wing working-class religious people (many on this board) to constantly vote republican by using scare tactics such as the gays are going to invade their bedroom and force them into an orgy or something.

That's one of the biggest pieces of nonsense propagated on this board - the notion that the Republicans are "God's Party."

So Tstew, were I an apostolic, I'd consider it a sign of maturity in my movement that you, Dan and others show that even apostolics can be diverse politically.

i think you need to slow your roll there hoss. At no time have I said the republican party is "Gods party".

i know you pride yourself in "telling it like it is" but you might ought to actually tell it like it acutally is.

furthermore, Stew and I have had a long standing debate about these issues with a great deal of repsect between us.

Your attempt to suggest that isnt the case is as much a misdrectoin as most of the rest of your rantings have been of late.

How about you introduce yourself to some reality here bub.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Is Wooten a good trooper? (7/27/08)

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html

Why didn't they fire him?

Very interesting.

Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:

• Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.

• He illegally shot a moose.

• He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.

• He told others his father-in-law would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce.

Plus he has been married and divorced 4 times. Speaks a lot about him don't you think?