It IS sad that these hucksters get away with what they get away with. Just as sad as some oneness/apostolic ministers doing the same things.........except they don't do it on TV....they do it from their pulpits!
The truth is that there is no difference between those who boast of truth and those who don't have it, because a man is a man with all the frailties of man regardless of whose group he or she is part of. Man falls because of his lack of reliance in and obedience to God and His word. It really doesn't matter how much truth he has in that regard. There are charlatans in every group and no one has a corner on the market. TV has nothing to do with it, but the depravity of man has everything to do with it. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!!
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EB, love that post. I especially love the way you put it all together.
I agree, EB, this is enlightening - I must confess I never thought of it that way before, but you are spot on. The scandals are becoming noticed less and less.
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AFF is a forum, a public one. That, in and of itself makes it near impossible to keep a line drawn in a firm place.That is why this forum is so healthy and so unhealthy at the same time.
Freedom to speak, freedom to question, freedom to debate, freedom to discuss. All very healthy, all things I am thankful for in my free society.
All things that can become unhealthy, all things that can become harmful.
One can question/discuss/debate thier way right out of the Word of God if they so desire. That's no place I want to be.
Aff is a forum, a public one. That, in and of itself makes it near impossible to keep a line drawn in a firm place.
This is why I am on a break myself. (before Monk... and has nothing to do with his break whatsoever. ftr)
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It IS sad that these hucksters get away with what they get away with. Just as sad as some oneness/apostolic ministers doing the same things.........except they don't do it on TV....they do it from their pulpits!
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TV has nothing to do with it
Having a problem making up your mind? Even you realize that parading these charlatans in front of John Q Public is a mistake. Just imagine you televised across America, while your people love you, the rest of humanity might not by what you are selling. Don't take that the wrong way, but I'm just saying that not everyone is made for the tube. The road has been trodden and now it's a burnt over field. To think that One God people are going to reinvent the wheel and resurrect the by gone Christian Television is at best arrogance.
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The truth is that there is no difference between those who boast of truth and those who don't have it, because a man is a man with all the frailties of man regardless of whose group he or she is part of.
Sin crosses all lines and anyone can get their clock cleaned. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the warped and weird Charismatic showboating. The swami read your mind garbage that was peddled off as the Holy Ghost. The Pentecostals were the ones who had shouting and running way back off the highway, in little po-dunk churches and brush arbors, and then marketing came along and took the clean scrubbed looks and long sleeves and crew cut preachers and their butter-milk complective wives and promised them "FAME and FORTUNE!"
Some ran and justified what they were doing by saying that they would spread the Gospel before Christ's return, well, Jesus didn't set up a physical Kingdom and those preachers just built bigger churches and bought newer cars. Their wives cut of their locks while their husbands grew their's over the collar. John Q Public wanted to know what was with all the opulence, and pomp? Why does a pet dog need an air conditioned dog house? Is that what they were eating the cat food for, while they sent every cent they had to these televangelists? Send them big checks all for a lousy anointed handkerchief? While little Sister so-and-so ate her cat's dinner?
Even though sin crosses lines from ultra conservative to ultra liberal, no one ever had it paraded in front of them, and to add insult to injury to witness the Christian community welcome these criminals back without any repentance? Sit a guy down for only a year and he is back and doing more harm than ever? John Q Public thought we were nuts.
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Man falls because of his lack of reliance in and obedience to God and His word. It really doesn't matter how much truth he has in that regard.
He just needs to stay accountable. The government and the public needs to see how much the man is spending. No problem in anyone living a nice life, but mis-use of a 501c3 is going to end up biting everyone in the tail. When the laws change concerning the Tax Exemption all because of mis-use . I can tell you now that there will be tons of preachers who will want to drag Benny Hinn, and the rest of the Televangelist crew through the streets until the meat falls off their bones. Again sin crosses lines, but what I'm talking about is unholy individuals using the television to rob the world, and give Christianity a black eye. Then all the sloppy sappy Christians adding insult to injury by NOT being OUTRAGED, and putting a stop to the stupidity.
Yes prayer is wonderful idea, but pray that the jokers get corrected and inspected. Not that they be restored. Restored to what? You see most of you guys think Trinitarian/Dualist Charismatics and One God Apostolic Pentecostals are the same in God's eyes. When the reality is that one is the real thing and the other is a counterfeit. You may have two one hundred dollar bills, but if one isn't real someone goes to jail. No matter how much they look or feel the same.
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There are charlatans in every group and no one has a corner on the market. TV has nothing to do with it,
Television has everything to do about it. Just look at Internet William Price would of never of been known by any of us if it wasn't by this medium. Now Internet is a pimple compared to Television that has way more exposure.
Thank Jesus that Todd Bentley wasn't part of the television sqaud. Hardly anyone knows who he is, because he never made his mark on the tube.
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but the depravity of man has everything to do with it. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!!
Why are there so many more depraved among the cruzeematic crew?
You know the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons quote the same scriptures and they feel that they are serving the Lord. If we serve the Lord let's pray that it's chapter and verse. No magic show or tattooed faces.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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I agree, EB, this is enlightening - I must confess I never thought of it that way before, but you are spot on. The scandals are becoming noticed less and less.
They just don't care anymore. They even expect it.
Charismatic Churches have let people down by the scary weirdness and the nightclub atmophere. More women than men and the men who are there are a little light in the loafers.
One super preacher who is driving around in a Maybach while everyone else is walking to church doesn't cut it with John Q Public.
He works hard for what little he got and doesn't want his wife to send it off to some colgate smiling shyster whose past track record of his tribe is sex scandals, and crime.
When Reverend Earl Paulk got snagged by Jesus Christ, John Q Public just commented "Isn't that what he was supposed to do?"
The television for evangelism is a dead issue. Burned over field that has left a bad taste in the mouths of this country who is paying more for gas than a gallon of milk. While they are dealing with foreclosure Todd Bentley is telling them about some angel. They don't need it.
They don't want it.
They want something real.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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Because we do a much better job of sweeping it under the rug.
Speak for yourself and your "own" crew.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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They just don't care anymore. They even expect it.
Charismatic Churches have let people down by the scary weirdness and the nightclub atmophere. More women than men and the men who are there are a little light in the loafers.
One super preacher who is driving around in a Maybach while everyone else is walking to church doesn't cut it with John Q Public.
He works hard for what little he got and doesn't want his wife to send it off to some colgate smiling shyster whose past track record of his tribe is sex scandals, and crime.
When Reverend Earl Paulk got snagged by Jesus Christ, John Q Public just commented "Isn't that what he was supposed to do?"
The television for evangelism is a dead issue. Burned over field that has left a bad taste in the mouths of this country who is paying more for gas than a gallon of milk. While they are dealing with foreclosure Todd Bentley is telling them about some angel. They don't need it.
They don't want it.
They want something real.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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Speak for yourself and your "own" crew.
This is nothing more than an attack on people who don't see things the way you do Scripturally.
I saw more cheating pastors who left their wives for other women or another man in the UPC, than I have in the Charismatic folks I have been involved with.
Because you take the approach that these people are lost it is easy for you to make broad statements about "charismatics" that are as true about your own fellowship as any other.
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I saw more cheating pastors who left their wives for other women or another man in the UPC, than I have in the Charismatic folks I have been involved with.
Does this mean the UPC has more adulterers than charismatic pentecostals. Does the UPC also have more liars? more pride? more sin?
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