The Man Is the Priest of the Home?

[Steve Epley]

Some of the greatest prayer warriors in Pentecost has been praying ladies.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The guys are gonna get me for this I imagine more homes and situations have been saved and answered because of a wife's or mother's prayer rather than the man. I am sorry that has been my experience of years pastoring or preaching. Thank God for praying women. Hannah's prayers produced Samuel.

Elder, I agree..... completely.. However, that woman can pray till she is blue in the face and if she is in rebellion to her Godly authority..... you will hear the brass heavens making a tinkling sound...

I believe the point you are making is valid but it does not adress the issue.. this is not about a womans importance.. it is about her role

Using your same argument I could tell you that "thank God for women preachers.... my grandfather was saved under one" but that woman is in rebellion to scripture no matter how effective her preaching is.. would you agree?

I think the same applies in the home

[Praxeas]

Authority though does not mean a husband is the woman's priest or is a high priest

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Some of the greatest prayer warriors in Pentecost has been praying ladies.

and some who have started more trouble than you can every put out have been ladies.......if you have been a Pastor you should know this.. especially those womens prayer meetings that turn into much more than prayer meetings.......

I also know countless men who have served faithfully in prayer

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

and some who have started more trouble than you can every put out have been ladies.......if you have been a Pastor you should know this.. especially those womens prayer meetings that turn into much more than prayer meetings.......

I also know countless men who have served faithfully in prayer

I pastored for years, and had FAR more trouble with men than ladies, trust me!

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Authority though does not mean a husband is the woman's priest or is a high priest

Well, what does it mean...... that would be like saying because a man is the authority over the church he is not the Pastor,, that would be ludicrous... call it high priest,, low priest or whatever you want... but is the man is the spiritual head of the home... what does that make him? Why argue over semantics.. the husband is the SPIRITUAL HEAD of the home... so what does that make him?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Miss Brattfield

I am assuming your a Parent, and you see your children rebelling against their good father... the man that you love and trust with your children.. you see them step outside of his headship and rebel against his authority... and then they come to you to communicate with you.. to ask you for some blessings.. some money....... as an honorable woman would this communication take place with them in rebellion to their father? Would you give them the things they are asking for as they are approaching you in rebellion against their head?

Well, first of all, God is much more merciful than I am, so I can't compare Him to what I would do. Secondly, I would not stop communicating with my children. I wouldn't give them something in opposition to their father, but that doesn't mean I won't speak to them. And I wouldn't expect God to give me anything, if I am asking out of rebellion. But that doesn't mean He doesn't hear me, I just think His answer will be "No", and conviction.

He is our heavenly Father and he has placed authority in our lives.... and should we step outside of that covering would he be a wise father to acknowledge or accept us in that state?

I am not one to question God's wisdom, and He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy, but to answer the question: I believe He acknowledges us, even when we are in a sorry state. I don't believe He accepts sin, and if we follow Him, sin will have no place.

Are there biblical examples of God listening to or answering sinners? What about the publican and the sinner?

I have to say, Dr. V., and I'm not trying to offend you, but it's hard for me to discuss this with you, considering that you are associated with WB, and knowing his extreme beliefs (IMO) regarding women and their place in the home or in God's Kingdom. I'm having a hard time taking your words at face value, and not looking at them with suspicion.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I pastored for years, and had FAR more trouble with men than ladies, trust me!

Dear Brother,, to each his own... I believe many pastors could say otherwise, myself included.. wait till all those women start getting "Words from the Lord" and start trying to correct the men of the church... oh it's a beautiful sight

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Well, what does it mean...... that would be like saying because a man is the authority over the church he is not the Pastor,, that would be ludicrous... call it high priest,, low priest or whatever you want... but is the man is the spiritual head of the home... what does that make him? Why argue over semantics.. the husband is the SPIRITUAL HEAD of the home... so what does that make him?

The president is the highest authority in the land but that does not make him our priest.

Why semantics? Because saying priest instead of head of the household, carries entirely different connotations

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Elder, I agree..... completely.. However, that woman can pray till she is blue in the face and if she is in rebellion to her Godly authority..... you will hear the brass heavens making a tinkling sound...

I believe the point you are making is valid but it does not adress the issue.. this is not about a womans importance.. it is about her role

Using your same argument I could tell you that "thank God for women preachers.... my grandfather was saved under one" but that woman is in rebellion to scripture no matter how effective her preaching is.. would you agree?

I think the same applies in the home

NO one is arguing that a rebellious woman is a prayer warrior but neither is a rebellious man. Women are forbbiden to preach they are commanded to pray that is the difference. YOUR position is unscriptural there is NO such concept taught as the husband being the priest. The concept is saying a woman has to have a man to be saved. Women are saved through THE Man Christ Jesus.