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Old 07-13-2008, 04:14 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?

I actually started a similar thread on CAF regarding Saul and the witch of Endor.


Here's what I find interesting:


Saul had issued a decree of slaughtering those with familiar spirits, etc. These familiar spirits are able to relay or foretell information.

If this conjured spirit wasn't Samuel and just a familiar spirit, why didn't the familiar spirit warn the witch that Saul would soon approach her in disguise?
Remember these witches were being persecuted, and it would only seem logical that if this was a familiar spirit, it would have warned the witch of impending danger, mainly Saul's soon arrival.


Samuel 28

8) And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.

9) And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
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Did God go against His word when Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus in the Transfiguration?
You got sa' mo' splanin" to do Prax. I don't get it?
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I believe what the Bible says, and it says that Samuel was speaking to Saul. I am not into rewriting the Word of God to suit my thoughts on what should or shouldn't be. Once we start changing what the Word of God says there's no stopping the editing. Very dangerous ground to build on.
Are you saying that it's wrong to compare different versions? Which version is the right one?
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You got sa' mo' splanin" to do Prax. I don't get it?
God can raise Samuel. If Moses and Elijah can appear from the dead then so can Samuel
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If I believed the Bible was God's word, I would believe what it says.
Timmy, if you believed the Bible was God's word, which version would you believe?
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God can raise Samuel. If Moses and Elijah can appear from the dead then so can Samuel
There's no question in my mind that God can, I only questioned whether the devil can. Since he is a deceiver, everything he does is a fake.

Since God told us not to meddle in the devil's junk, I don't think God would involve himself in the devil's junk either.
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Timmy, if you believed the Bible was God's word, which version would you believe?
Excellent question. I would prefer to believe the original manuscripts. But, alas, they are all gone. I'd have no choice but to trust the scholars and translators who have researched the copies and fragments of copies that we have. But which scholars? That's the question. I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine.

Is there a version that has a better translation of the witch of Endor story than the KJV?
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God can raise Samuel. If Moses and Elijah can appear from the dead then so can Samuel
True, but Moses and Elijah did not appear in bodily form. That was a spiritual vision.

In the case of the witch at En-Dor, I just don't think God had a thing to do with that event.
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There's no question in my mind that God can, I only questioned whether the devil can. Since he is a deceiver, everything he does is a fake.

Since God told us not to meddle in the devil's junk, I don't think God would involve himself in the devil's junk either.
I did not see anyone suggesting the witch did that. They were saying God did it
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Excellent question. I would prefer to believe the original manuscripts. But, alas, they are all gone. I'd have no choice but to trust the scholars and translators who have researched the copies and fragments of copies that we have. But which scholars? That's the question. I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine.

Is there a version that has a better translation of the witch of Endor story than the KJV?
Your guess is as good as mine.
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