General Accuses White House of War Crimes

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My husband is ex-military. Do you want me to tell you what he says about it?

I'm ex-military. I know all too well about the psychological conditioning of American soldiers. That's why I caution people when it comes to listening to the ol' "soldier's opinion".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, last time I checked, Friend, 30 released prisoners went back into their terrorist activities.

Aside from that, I have the same mind for the prisons in our own country. I don't think they should have the privileges they have. I think they should all be doing some type of labor - all the time, no amenities.

Holiness isn't hardness.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

A few of the things that took place in the report would qualify as torture, most would not examples of torture from the report include...

(S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;

Makes me feel so sorry for them. (And how are they naked if they are wearing women’s underwear?)

(S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

worse things happen to folks joining a fraternity

(S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

I didn't hear them complain.

(S) Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

Who was committing torture?

(S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a
female Soldier pose for a picture;

wow he is probably scared for life from such torture


There were a few things that were done by individuals that were clearly criminal such as raping a detainee but I have my doubts Bush ordered that. We punished those who committed these acts.

Were they humiliated? Probably. Do I care if they are humiliated? Nope.

We used to be an honorable nation.

Bush has really lowered the bar for conservatives. Now they're near rock bottom when it comes to ethics and human rights.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Why believe those that are the enemies of the US when it is their stated objective to claim torture, you think they haven't been trained to do exactly what they are doing???? Demonize the USA above all else, and leftists in this country have no ability to separate the precious from the vile.

Bro....troops are ratting each other out and photos have been taken on many occasions. It's not all made up. Though I do think you bring up a good point. Certainly a few cases could be false accusations. Being a nation of justice...we need to look into each claim and see if these prisoners were abused.

If we don't....we've lowered ourselves to being a lot like their countries.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Why believe those that are the enemies of the US when it is their stated objective to claim torture, you think they haven't been trained to do exactly what they are doing???? Demonize the USA above all else, and leftists in this country have no ability to separate the precious from the vile.

Also...this is all coming from a General...not crack pots.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We used to be an honorable nation.

Bush has really lowered the bar for conservatives. Now they're near rock bottom when it comes to ethics and human rights.

Oh my, Bush is the one that did that, all by himself?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Also...this is all coming from a General...not crack pots.

And this general wouldn't lie because?

[Cindy]

And I do believe our country has had some crack pot generals. But many honorable ones.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by crakjak

If they would cooperate with the military they would be freed much sooner. Unfortunately, war is a necessary function of our fallen world, to prevent the bad guys from taken over.

The US record in Japan and Germany produced good results and restored those countries to their own governance. If the fools in the media and congress had the intelligence of our past leaders Iraq would be well on its way to being restored. Treason is fashionable these days.

Bro...I know you're a radical conservative with your hair on fire for the cause and all. But Pat Buchanan wrote a book recently about the strategic and diplomatic blunders made by Britain that exacerbated the situation that led to WWI and WWII and compromised their global dominance. In his book he explains how America is making many of those very same mistakes.

http://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Hitl...ref=pd_sim_b_2

Bro...we're not fighting nation states. This is something far worse...and it cannot be defeated militarily...because no one can surrender for them all.

This is something that we can only handle defensively by securing our boarders, domestic security procedures, airports, and policies regarding foreign nationals here on visas.

[Cindy]

Is war really about strategy anymore?