Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
HO, I agree it's sort of wierd.
I remember one article had a pic that showed diodes attached to a person's head.
For what it's worth, the study was mostly positive for those who speak in tongues.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
HO, I agree it's sort of wierd.
I remember one article had a pic that showed diodes attached to a person's head.
For what it's worth, the study was mostly positive for those who speak in tongues.
I'm interested in knowing more, but I'm too tired at the moment to sort things out.
I just can't imagine being in the spirit with wires attached to my head and knowing that people are watching and waiting for 'the blessed event' to come out of my mouth.....LOL!
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by CC1
This is not an answer to your question but don't you just love it when a deaf person is baptized in the Holy Spirit and their fingers and hands start going crazy!!!????
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Question ... could someone, in some OP circles, be saved if both the baptizer and baptizee were deaf and mute and did not know how to sign ? Would they be obeying Acts 2:38 if the proper name was not invoked over them by the baptizer during baptism or the believer did not speak in tongues if it was all done in their head?
If a God was a woman named Moolah or at the time of baptism a space landed and aliens had the power to take speech away and IF IF IF IF IF????
I saw and heard a deaf mute recieve the Holy Ghost and yes she spoke on tongues.
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
If a God was a woman named Moolah or at the time of baptism a space landed and aliens had the power to take speech away and IF IF IF IF IF????
I saw and heard a deaf mute recieve the Holy Ghost and yes she spoke on tongues.
Okay ... and if they don't have a tongue ....?
These types of humans do exist, Steve ... your scenario is unbiblical and/or unrealistic.
Keep in mind they are competent and able to make the decision to follow Christ ... but do not have the ability to verbalize.
Your paradigm assumes that all can verbalize to effectuate salvation ....
whether it be the baptizer of whom must get it right to bring about a partial spiritual birth or the tongues or hell doctrine as it relates to being regenerated by God's Spirit ...
if this is so we have to assume God doesn't have all of His bases covered when it comes to the plan of salvation
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Okay ... and if they don't have a tongue ....?
You're paradigm assumes that all can verbalize to effectuate salvation it whether be the baptizer of whom must get it right to bring about a partial spiritual birth or the tongues or hell doctrine as it relates to being regenerated by God's Spirit ...
if this is so we have to assume God doesn't have all of His bases covered when it comes to the plan of salvation
Dan you are intelligent so why such goofy questions???????????????
First God is God and He can make a stone praise Him or a donkey talk. Your assumptions are childish.
All your "humerous" absurdities will not change the message or the method.
In Balaam's day it was a miracle to get an A to speak now it is a miracle to get one to keep quiet. NOT implying that is you.
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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As dumb as I may be ...
the frustration is on your part because you don't have an answer for a scenario that is within the limits of reason ...
We must assume God's plan of salvation is not for all.
Daniel I know most people are really missing your point(s). I believe it is possible that a deaf/mute can be baptized in Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost and (speak in an unknown tongue) without speaking out loud. That is for their salvation not for our edification anyway. Even if the person that baptizes them is a deaf/mute as well.
God sees and hears both's hearts.
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