Do You Believe in Predetermination?

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Originally Posted by philjones

By the presumptuous phraseology that you use, I perceive that you see yourself as some panacea of knowledge and all wise. Perhaps you should go to that tree you reference and gain the knowledge of simple reading comprehension!

You are correct that it is not His will that any should perish. That is why he made man and the garden for man. A place where that none should perish. Man violated that will by partaking of the forbidden and bringing to bear the fact of fatality and death to the earth. God's will did not change simply because man blew it. He simply made a provision for man that allowed man to be restored to that Will and have everlasting life. The will of God never changed!

Bro Jones, I respect you and your ministry. So I will bow out of this conversation...

God Bless...

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Bro Jones, I respect you and your ministry. So I will bow out of this conversation...

God Bless...

Please don't do that... i put the smiley there to let you know that I was pulling your leg as well as letting you know that the phrase could be interpreted as a bit presumptuous.

Thank you for your respect... I respect you and your ministry as well.

I simply do not see that God has more than one will... that will is perfect! Unfortunately man is not perfect and violated and continues to violate that will. God may give permission or allow things to happen in violation of His singular will, but they are not His will!

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Originally Posted by philjones

Please don't do that... i put the smiley there to let you know that I was pulling your leg as well as letting you know that the phrase could be interpreted as a bit presumptuous.

Thank you for your respect... I respect you and your ministry as well.

I simply do not see that God has more than one will... that will is perfect! Unfortunately man is not perfect and violated and continues to violate that will. God may give permission or allow things to happen in violation of His singular will, but they are not His will!

Understood. One more question. DO you believe in "Once saved always saved?".

Sorry I missed the smiley face...

Nathan Eckstadt

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Understood. One more question. DO you believe in "Once saved always saved?".

Sorry I missed the smiley face...

Nathan Eckstadt

No sir.. I am not Calvinist in any way.

We are quite close in what we believe, I am sure of it. It is simply my feeling that God's will is singular and unchanging. Men violate it and suffer the consequence of their violation but His will is still the same.

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Originally Posted by philjones

No sir.. I am not Calvinist in any way.

We are quite close in what we believe, I am sure of it. It is simply my feeling that God's will is singular and unchanging. Men violate it and suffer the consequence of their violation but His will is still the same.

Understood. I agree...

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Understood. I agree...

BTW... I was cataloging my old tapes recently and I found that I have several of your Dad! I believe they are all related to eschatology as my Dad was very into the study of Daniel, Ezekiel and The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I look forward to giving them a listen.

[Ron]

I am still trying to get The Rich man & Lazurus preaching.

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Originally Posted by philjones

BTW... I was cataloging my old tapes recently and I found that I have several of your Dad! I believe they are all related to eschatology as my Dad was very into the study of Daniel, Ezekiel and The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I look forward to giving them a listen.

Wow. That is awesome. Could you share with me the names of the sermons via PM?

Once you have heard them.

If I do not have copies of the sermons.

Would you be willing to send them to me?

So I can have them converted to MP3?

If so I will make sure you get copies of any sermon that I already have converted.

Do you have highspeed internet?

If so I would love to email you "Eternity to Eternity".

Awesome sermon on the Oneness of God...

Thanks so much...


Nathan Eckstadt

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Originally Posted by Ron

I am still trying to get The Rich man & Lazurus preaching.

I need your address. I could not send it through. Your internet company blocks files that are over 10Meg. I have it on CD for you..

PM me your address...

Nathan Eckstadt

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Sort of.

I do believe that we are all born with certain genetic predispositions. I also believe we are born into certain advantages and disadvantages. These could be physical, emotional, familial and financial.

The question remains, is any of this God's doing?

It is all God's "doing", He said "I knew you before you were in your mother's womb". He knew and shaped us for His purpose "...some for honor and some for dishonor..., many interpret this to mean one's final end and that is error. This speak of one's earthly lives, God has all kinds of things to accomplish in the completion of His ultimate purpose of becoming "all in all", and He uses humans in tasks of honor and some of dishonor to bring about His intentions. God displays His love in mankind thru His severity and His mercy.