Another reason NOT to vote for Obama

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Jason

OBAMA DISECTED


LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT:

HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, MOSLEM, BLACK- WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN "FAMILY

HIS MOTHER IS A KANSAN, ATHIEST, WHITE-
WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS KANSAN, WHITE MOTHER AND HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED HIM.

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND WENT BACK TO HIS FAMILY IN KENYA

HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MOSLEM AND TOOK HIM TO JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS SCHOOLED IN A MOSLEM SCHOOL

HIS MOTHER RETURNED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE KANSAN GRANDPARENTS

HE LATER WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR SCHOOLS, HOW?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER. HOW?

HE "WORKED" AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO- HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB. THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POST
NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE

HE IS PROUD OF HIS "AFRICAN HERITAGE" BUT IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY AFRICAN CONNECTION WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SPERM CARRIED A "CULTURAL" GENE. WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS WHITE CULTURE?

HE GOES TO A "AFROCENTRIC" CHURCH THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLDS PERCEIVED FAULTS
AND THEN REPEATEDLY COVERS UP FOR THE PASTOR AND THE CHURCH

HE CLAIMS THAT HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN, RIGHT!!!

YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW HE COULD BE A UNITER AND BRING US TOGETHER, I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER

(from an email I recieved today)

Yeah, I know a preacher who preach about how Proctor and Gamble were supporting Satanists....he got that in an email too. Look it up on SNOPES or FactCheck.com before ranting that garbage here.

I loose all respect for those who believe email rumors.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Jason

well, i would not vote (i'm still considering it) but if christians didn't vote we would basically be casting a vote for obama. Please don't get me wrong, I can't stand McCain, but the fact that Al-Jeezra, the Palestinian Authority, and radical muslims around the world support a so-called "christian" who supposedly shuns the koran and islam is a huge red flag for me. If it was between clinton and mccain, i don't think I could care less. Talk about tweedly dee and tweedly dumb. Ron Paul was the best candidate, he was radical, but at least he was completely upfront and open about his policies. Who doesn't want a president that wants to prevent a national/international ID, abolish the IRS, cause the value of the dollar to go up, instead of down, leave the united nations, etc. Obviously all of things can't happen with one president, and some probably will never happen. But I don't get how someone could go for mccain or obama, or hilary over Paul, I am obviously in the minority.

I think it’s funny how we feel that every Muslim is a radical Muslim. Radical Muslims don’t like ANY American candidate. We have to understand that the average Muslim isn’t a radical Muslim. They want peace MORE than we do because they know any war will be fought in their back yard. They know that their kids will be killed and recruited by extremists to be suicide bombers. Of course they are going to show support for the peace candidate. But I see why you would hesitate.

Ron Paul was just too conservative for most Americans. I liked him, but he was even a little too conservative for me. Most Americans are just left of center on economics and right of center on values. And neither party represents that. That’s why we have such a divide.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Rev Dooley

I think it is pretty radical when muslims are making calls to americans asking for their support of this man.
The muslim extremists as I recall attacked us at 911. Have you forgotten that already? We retaliated and war began. To say that war begets war is to say that we are wrong to fight back when attacked. I disagree.
The issues in the ME have shifted from what they were before, at least in the public eye.
I can not honestly say that I support it any longer.
I do not believe however that a candidate that is supported there is necessarily good for America. Their whole worldview is 180 out from ours. Surely you agree with that.
Their whole stated purpose in life is to eradicate anyone who opposes Islam. They don't have to be radical to feel this way. I have spoken with many muslims over the years and they are convinced that their way is the only way and all others are infidel, yours included. That should make you pause and reconsider your support of someone who is so anti-american that he won't even wear an american flag during his campaign, especially in light of the fact that he is popular in the ME.
That should throw up warning flags to all of America.

Rev. Dooley,

The fact that the Arab world is pulling for Obama does cause me some pause also. But I don’t JUMP to conclusions. My question is why are they supporting him? Sure, my prejudices lead me to think the worst, but it may be that they just don’t want more war. With all the saber rattling about Iran and with tensions involving Israel in the region getting hotter many Muslims are wanting an American President who will bring more people to the table instead of begin dropping more bombs. If I was a Muslim father raising a family in the Middle East, I can assure you I’d be supporting Obama because I wouldn’t want to see the war spread throughout the region. I’d already be afraid that extremists would recruit my kids for their purposes. I don’t believe we can classify all Muslim support as being a negative thing. Think of it this way…if an American President resonates with the Muslim people, we may be able to put significant social pressure on radical leaders. For example in Iran there is a very pro-democracy student movement. They adore Obama. If he can help them feel secure enough to engage in some democratic activism we might be able to effect Iran from the inside without dropping a single bomb.

I firmly believe that war and violence begets war and violence. I also firmly believe that a Christian should by no means involve himself or herself in this world’s wars. If a Christian serves in the military I believe they should only serve in a non-combative capacity, for example as a Medic. I served in the Army as a 19K (M1 Tank Crewman) and when I returned to church I requested that my MOS be changed. After four requests I was finally accepted into 91B10 (Combat Medical Specialist) training at the Army Academy of Health Sciences on Ft. Sam Houston, San Antonio TX. I served the remainder of my time in the military as a combat medical specialist. So yes, I was in the Army, and yes I practice what I preach.

What troubles me about McCain is that he’s starting to saber rattle against Iran. Bro…the powers that be have their eyes in Iran. I’m afraid that if McCain becomes President we’re not only going to be fighting in Iraq for another generation, but we will be engaged in a bloody conflict with Iran. That bothers me bro.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Obama is a dangerous man.

Very dangerous.

He seems to have no ethical or moral moorings.

His comments last week were beyond acceptable.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say the man has no ethical or moral moorings. I do think he’s been careless with his words of late. And yes, it bothers me too bro. That’s why I’ve shifted from being a solid supporter to being willing to re-evaluate McCain.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by izzyschwartz

This is totally true. Politics aside, I cannot fathom anyone posting on this form thinking that this man would be good for America. He does not possess even one redeeming quality.

Nothing he has said or done in his political career is worthy of praise or admiration. Every public comment and action has been self serving and his arrogance is disgusting. His popularity is embarrassing to any truly informed American. I can only hope that defense of him, his actions, or his rhetoric can be attributed to youthful stupidity.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains

I think your opinion is rather subjective. Everyone has redeeming qualities. I think his political career has been short but he’s done some good things here and there. But again, there’s a strong argument that his political experience is lacking.

[ChristopherHall]

I’d like to know why I should vote for a Republican President. I’ve voted Republican in nearly every election (both national and local) but two. When it comes to abortion and gay marriage the Republicans have failed to do anything significant and they’ve had the White House, the majority in Congress, and 7 out of 9 SCOTUS judges were appointed by Republicans. So I give them a D- on these issues.

The economy is suffering and the Fed has had to bail out investment banks and mortgage lenders. One in seven Americans state that they are on the verge of loosing their home (my family is one of them). Most Americans are in a state of negative equity where their home isn’t worth what it would take to pay off their home loan. Jobs are stagnant unless you’re in the service sector, “Do you want fries with that?” The dollar is falling in value and gas prices are skyrocketing. I added up how much I’ve lost under this Republican administration and frankly I’m loosing more than if they had raised my taxes!

I work for the city as an account reconciler. I spend most of my days policing companies who are trying to shaft the government by doing shoddy work or not even doing work at all, while enjoying the benefits of government contracts. I speak to these smarmy business owners who try to dodge my calls and when I catch them they lie through their teeth. I also see how federal funding for block grants has been cut to facilitate tax cuts and how these have impacted communities on a local level. For example CDBG funding suffered cuts and with that we’ve not be able to combat urban blight in suppressed neighborhoods. So our neighborhoods are going to pot. I could go on and on here.

I worked as a computer systems help desk technician, but I got laid off. Why? Because the Republican administration started giving out foreign work visas like they were candy and I couldn’t compete with Indian contractors working for TaTa.

Fuel prices are so high and my cost of living is nearly doubled. My wife and I both are feeling like we might have to take on a second job just to pay the bills. I guess we’ll put our son up for an adoption because God knows we can’t parent if we’re working all the freakin’ time.

We lost our traditional health insurance plan and were given an HSA, which is a joke. But, since I am a government employee I got $3000 for my $4000 deductible. In short…my health care costs went up another $1000, unless I want to ration money when we or our son gets sick. I have a good friend who pays nearly $700 a month for health insurance. It’s so bad 50 MILLION are uninsured, 140 MILLION don’t have sufficient health care coverage, and nearly 18,000 die every year from preventable illnesses because they don’t have health insurance. In total…190,018,000 Americans are suffering from our failed health care system. Last year just less than 3,000 Canadians came to the US for elective procedures and services their system filed to provide. Yes…190,018,000 Americans are experiencing what nearly 3,000 Canadians experienced last year in their system. We hear and are horrified by the stories from these 3,000 Canadians…but we don’t seem to care a bit about the 190,018,000 (that’s one hundred and ninety million, eighteen thousand) Americans who are in the very same boat as these 3,000 Canadians in the horror stories we read. For some reason we feel like these three thousand Canadians are more important than nearly two hundred million Americans! I don’t get it.

Why are health care costs so high in America? Here’s why, because we who have health insurance are paying unpaid medical bills of those who don’t. The health care industry is just passing the cost on to us. Why are we paying for them while they pay NOTHING? At least in the Canadian system everyone pays something toward their health insurance.

The Republican Administration was asleep at the helm after nearly a decade of threats from Islamic extremists. We elected them because Clinton was ignoring the problem and we expected them to defend our country. And we still got hit on 9/11. We retaliate by invading Afghanistan to knock out the Taliban who was giving shelter and support to al Queda. But then we are told that Saddam had WMDs and we invaded Iraq preemptively. Now the Taliban is making gains in Afghanistan, Iran is undermining our efforts, our troop levels are low, the cost is stratospheric, and we’re bogged down with no end in sight. Oh…and those WMDs…Iraq didn’t have them. Ooooops. Sorry we’ve killed 80,000 Iraqis over “faulty intelligence”. Oh…and the no bid contracts in the war…can anyone say “war profiteering”?

The world is isolating the US economically and are starting to disregard treaties (after all…that’s what we’ve done). Also human right’s groups have called American to question over torture and the Administration has lied about it and down played it. The government has pushed for warrantless wire taps and with the Patriot Act and collaboration with telecommunications companies has eviscerated our Constitutional rights.

I’m looking at McCain…but these things keep coming up when I consider him. So please tell me again…why should I vote Republican???

I think this election isn’t so much about voting FOR Obama. For many it’s voting against the Republicans.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Obama is a dangerous man.

Very dangerous.

He seems to have no ethical or moral moorings.

His comments last week were beyond acceptable.

have to say that is a clear concise analysis of the sitch, he is not good, and people are blind to it, sad, dt

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

have to say that is a clear concise analysis of the sitch, he is not good, and people are blind to it, sad, dt

I think the majority see the problems with Obama. But in light of what so many hard working Americans are currently going through under a Republican administration, voting for a Republican is out of the question. It's more of a vote against the Republicans than a vote for Obama. Of course partisian ideologues are blind to it.

[DividedThigh]

hey friends all libs can vote for obama if they want, he is the most lib senator on record, so that is a definite, i cant do it, wont do it, if someone better is availabe that does not want to raise taxes and kill children i am with them, say what you want, i vote alone, dt

[BHILL]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I’d like to know why I should vote for a Republican President. I’ve voted Republican in nearly every election (both national and local) but two. When it comes to abortion and gay marriage the Republicans have failed to do anything significant and they’ve had the White House, the majority in Congress, and 7 out of 9 SCOTUS judges were appointed by Republicans. So I give them a D- on these issues.

The economy is suffering and the Fed has had to bail out investment banks and mortgage lenders. One in seven Americans state that they are on the verge of loosing their home (my family is one of them). Most Americans are in a state of negative equity where their home isn’t worth what it would take to pay off their home loan. Jobs are stagnant unless you’re in the service sector, “Do you want fries with that?” The dollar is falling in value and gas prices are skyrocketing. I added up how much I’ve lost under this Republican administration and frankly I’m loosing more than if they had raised my taxes!

I work for the city as an account reconciler. I spend most of my days policing companies who are trying to shaft the government by doing shoddy work or not even doing work at all, while enjoying the benefits of government contracts. I speak to these smarmy business owners who try to dodge my calls and when I catch them they lie through their teeth. I also see how federal funding for block grants has been cut to facilitate tax cuts and how these have impacted communities on a local level. For example CDBG funding suffered cuts and with that we’ve not be able to combat urban blight in suppressed neighborhoods. So our neighborhoods are going to pot. I could go on and on here.

I worked as a computer systems help desk technician, but I got laid off. Why? Because the Republican administration started giving out foreign work visas like they were candy and I couldn’t compete with Indian contractors working for TaTa.

Fuel prices are so high and my cost of living is nearly doubled. My wife and I both are feeling like we might have to take on a second job just to pay the bills. I guess we’ll put our son up for an adoption because God knows we can’t parent if we’re working all the freakin’ time.

We lost our traditional health insurance plan and were given an HSA, which is a joke. But, since I am a government employee I got $3000 for my $4000 deductible. In short…my health care costs went up another $1000, unless I want to ration money when we or our son gets sick. I have a good friend who pays nearly $700 a month for health insurance. It’s so bad 50 MILLION are uninsured, 140 MILLION don’t have sufficient health care coverage, and nearly 18,000 die every year from preventable illnesses because they don’t have health insurance. In total…190,018,000 Americans are suffering from our failed health care system. Last year just less than 3,000 Canadians came to the US for elective procedures and services their system filed to provide. Yes…190,018,000 Americans are experiencing what nearly 3,000 Canadians experienced last year in their system. We hear and are horrified by the stories from these 3,000 Canadians…but we don’t seem to care a bit about the 190,018,000 (that’s one hundred and ninety million, eighteen thousand) Americans who are in the very same boat as these 3,000 Canadians in the horror stories we read. For some reason we feel like these three thousand Canadians are more important than nearly two hundred million Americans! I don’t get it.

Why are health care costs so high in America? Here’s why, because we who have health insurance are paying unpaid medical bills of those who don’t. The health care industry is just passing the cost on to us. Why are we paying for them while they pay NOTHING? At least in the Canadian system everyone pays something toward their health insurance.

The Republican Administration was asleep at the helm after nearly a decade of threats from Islamic extremists. We elected them because Clinton was ignoring the problem and we expected them to defend our country. And we still got hit on 9/11. We retaliate by invading Afghanistan to knock out the Taliban who was giving shelter and support to al Queda. But then we are told that Saddam had WMDs and we invaded Iraq preemptively. Now the Taliban is making gains in Afghanistan, Iran is undermining our efforts, our troop levels are low, the cost is stratospheric, and we’re bogged down with no end in sight. Oh…and those WMDs…Iraq didn’t have them. Ooooops. Sorry we’ve killed 80,000 Iraqis over “faulty intelligence”. Oh…and the no bid contracts in the war…can anyone say “war profiteering”?

The world is isolating the US economically and are starting to disregard treaties (after all…that’s what we’ve done). Also human right’s groups have called American to question over torture and the Administration has lied about it and down played it. The government has pushed for warrantless wire taps and with the Patriot Act and collaboration with telecommunications companies has eviscerated our Constitutional rights.

I’m looking at McCain…but these things keep coming up when I consider him. So please tell me again…why should I vote Republican???

I think this election isn’t so much about voting FOR Obama. For many it’s voting against the Republicans.

The goverment is not a cure all for all the problems.The goverment does not owe us health care,smetimes jobs move out of the country,it's not the goverments fault when that happens,get a new job.Complaining about your HSA(which is the best thing going in the health care industry)doesn't help either.At least you have benefits-I own a business and have to pay my own health ins cost and I don't want the goverment to take over health care. I used to live in Canada-They provide you health care but take more of what you earn and you might die waiting for a surgery-it takes months to get anything done.No wonder many Canadians come to the states for medical care.
Our country is still the best in the world,and I don't think everything is as bad as you say.