District Puts WPF on Notice

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by CC1

Last time I checked it didn't cost any money for UPC and the like to teach "Apostolic Identity".

Most preachers preach and teach the clothesline legalism with great gusto each and every time they take the pulpit (well almost).

Even those that don't preach / teach the clothesline adnaseum allude to it in just about every sermon to reinforce the times they do preach / teach on it.

Again with the broad brush CC1, you haven't been everywhere and heard everyone. There are some out there who don't do this.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Again with the broad brush CC1, you haven't been everywhere and heard everyone. There are some out there who don't do this.

When I joined this forum I started out thinking this was just ignorance of the facts,

Now I know, its just out right dislike. They dislike standards, they dislike people who believe in them. They want everyone to believe that God Himself has shown them that standards are unnecesary, and I do believe them. I believe God convicts each one differently. But it cant be the other way around with them. The Holy Ghost can't convict me and my wife to adhere to certain standards. Thats not God , thats just the way we were taught.

ok , maybe it is just ignorance of the facts

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by scotty

When I joined this forum I started out thinking this was just ignorance of the facts,

Now I know, its just out right dislike. They dislike standards, they dislike people who believe in them. They want everyone to believe that God Himself has shown them that standards are unnecesary, and I do believe them. I believe God convicts each one differently. But it cant be the other way around with them. The Holy Ghost can't convict me and my wife to adhere to certain standards. Thats not God , thats just the way we were taught.

ok , maybe it is just ignorance of the facts

Well, Scotty, I am not quite as militant about it as you are, I don't think it has a lot to do with dislike on the most part, I think most people are speaking from their personal experience.

My problem is that I just hate the broad brushing on any subject, from any perspective. To use words like 'all", and "every", and "them", I think these are counterproductive to any intelligent argument as a general rule.

I will not deny that ANYTHING does not go on in a specific place or setting, but when even common practices are used to substantiate a broad generalization, this is the definition of ignorance, IMHO.

These are the same thought processes that are used to justify any prejudice, and are not wise, IMHO.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Well, Scotty, I am not quite as militant about it as you are, .

ouch

[tv1a]

The directive is to teach "apostolic identity". There is going to be $$$ spent on materials. Someone has to buy power before the throne. If not, it is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by scotty

Don't see this where I am, in Arkansas District we sure are not spending money to teach "apostolic identity"...never heard of such...we spend money to throw barbq's in the nieghborhoods, hold basketball tournaments for the city kids, etc.etc. I personally adhere to standards but it is through conviction, nobody taught me.

If your church is spending money to teach people how to dress let me know, I will make sure you go on our prayer list.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The directive is to teach "apostolic identity". There is going to be $$$ spent on materials. Someone has to buy power before the throne. If not, it is a waste of time.

Were are you getting this information from? I can assure you that my church will spend no money on any such literature or material. And I don't know of any church that would, including churches that do adhere to a "clothesline" doctrine. There is simply no need to spend any money on this topic. All of the bases are already covered, so to speak. I think you are very mistaken on this.

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The directive is to teach "apostolic identity". There is going to be $$$ spent on materials. Someone has to buy power before the throne. If not, it is a waste of time.

Please explain this post....

[tv1a]

This quote came directly from the link I provided

Also, there was considerable discussion with a very strong consensus that the United Pentecostal Church uphold its position as relates to Holiness and Separation from the world. It was the expression of the General Board that this be communicated by a letter from our General Superintendent, Bro. Kenneth Haney, to the UPCI fellowship, as well as the venues of General Conference, Global Impact, District Conference representatives, and District Boards of each district. It is imperative that we not only proclaim separation, but that it be taught so as to give this generation reason for the basic fundamentals as stated in the Articles of Faith.
The General Youth Department presented plans for Youth Congress 2009, outlining ideas that will incorporate this goal. In an attempt to realize the curbing of some problems and concerns, the General Youth Division will develop platform guidelines for both Youth Congress and Bible Quizzing.
Please know that there was a great spirit of unity and commitment to maintain our Apostolic identity while at the same time going forward with a strong passion for Global Impact.

Even a caveman knows what's going on. It's a waste of time to misrepresent apostolic identity.

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Please explain this post....

[CC1]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Again with the broad brush CC1, you haven't been everywhere and heard everyone. There are some out there who don't do this.

No one has heard "everyone everywhere". However some of us have had enough exposure through time and events to make these statements with a degree of certainty.

If one cannot draw conclusions from extensive experience because one has not experienced "everyone everywhere" then no one can come to a conclusion about anything.

Your thesis is the same old tired one that people use when they pull the race or gender card in politics. A white man is not supposed to be able to represent a black man or undestand his plight because he is not black or represent a woman because he is a male. Hogwash.

I was born UPC and have either been in it or around it the last 48 years. I have probably heard more UPC sermons and been in more UPC churches than just about anyone outside of full time ministry.

I listen to many sermons every year from UPC churches and conferences that I can't attend in person by listening to CD's or online.

Almost 100% of the time a UPC preacher cannot make it through an entire sermon without alluding to standards / seperation.

Of course there are exceptions as there is in just about anything and I said as much.

I can however make a general statement that I believe applies to almost all of the preaching that goes on in the UPC. I made that statement and stand by it.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by scotty

When I joined this forum I started out thinking this was just ignorance of the facts,

Now I know, its just out right dislike. They dislike standards, they dislike people who believe in them. They want everyone to believe that God Himself has shown them that standards are unnecesary, and I do believe them. I believe God convicts each one differently. But it cant be the other way around with them. The Holy Ghost can't convict me and my wife to adhere to certain standards. Thats not God , thats just the way we were taught.

ok , maybe it is just ignorance of the facts

Scotty,

I have come to the conclusion that there are those that rather than hear any constructive criticism would rather heap accusations on the criticizer since that is so much easier to handle that the criticism.

This demonizing of anybody who questions any of your sacred cows is a tactic that has been used in old time Oneness Pentecost for a very long time. Unfortunetey for you it does not work near as often anymore.

When I was growing up to question any of the extra biblicasl or unbiblical rules was labeled "rebellion" and of course we all know "rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" so there ya go - you were evil if you questioned anything!

I particularly loved it when you accuse others of painting with a broad brush then start your post by saing that you "KNOW" people like me "downright dislike standards, dislike people who believe in them". As many of my conservative friends both on AFF and otherwise can atest what you have said is patently not true. However I am sure it made you feel better to accuse me of not liking people who keep standards. Can we start playing the violen now? Poor lil ole you being disliked by the big ole mean liberal. Wah, wah, wah!! What a crock. I guess the best defense is a good offense eh? Try to denigrate the person who is disagreeing with you? Well I think you have clearly shown yourself with this post.