Laodiceans, Has the church become Laodiceans?

[robert]

I seem to be in the minority on this thread.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by CC1

robert,

Like many you have just taken scripture and made an application of it that suits your thinking.

In your mind someone who is what is labeled "liberal" in Pentecost is "cold" because in your mind they are not "holy" and are "sinning". However that is in your mind not in the Bible.

What I am saying is that what you yourself consider cold or lukewarm may not be so according to the Bible.

The application you made is one done by all sorts of judgemental people and as Elder Epley has noted "everybody is a liberal to somebody".

I don't know just how conservative you are but for a moment lets assume you are a moderately conservative UPC type. You would place me as one of those cold liberals and yourself as "hot". However if you wear short sleeves, watch church videos in your home, or wear a wedding ring you would be considered "cold" by ultra conservatives.

These personal perspectives mean nothing. It is the word of God that means everything and that is what I live by.

Amen. I like the way you think.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by robert

I seem to be in the minority on this thread.

But we still love ya!!!!

[Blaylock]

Originally Posted by robert

Who said I was labeling anyone. I asked how do we label ourselves. You know in your own heart where you are with God. I know here I am with God, and I always see that I need improvement.

I am who I am ... blood bought redeemed saved by grace. Now am I wrong for not believing in what some in the WPF are doing and what they are saying they are doing it for?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by robert

If you consider yourself any one of these. I guess you would know what it means to you. Most people know what the words mean and when they use them on thereselves they know why they are using them. I've heard people on this forum use these words quite often. Daniel Alicea uses a big liberal in his signature. Hopefully he does not think of himself as liberal in a political sense. I would not want to be associated with liberal democrats in any way shape or form.

that is all beside the point. You are just assuming cold equals liberal, lukewarm equals moderate and hot equals conservative.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by robert

What is priggish?

You never heard the nursery song "This little priggy went to market. This little priggy stayed him. This little priggy had roast beef and this little priggy had none"?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by robert

Would you say praying before church starts...a tradition of the church I went to in Kansas...would restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity. Actually good traditions don't restrict anyone from spiritual growth, love, and maturity except in the minds of those who want to make good traditions into evil things because they want to make newer and better traditions for themselves. Traditions that are probably worse than the ones they condemn.

As I said, traditions are not bad necessarily, just those traditions that do what I just spoke of are bad.

BTW you know even liberals and moderates pray before church begins

[Dan'D]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

As I said, traditions are not bad necessarily, just those traditions that do what I just spoke of are bad.

BTW you know even liberals and moderates pray before church begins

What traditions would you keep?
Dan'D

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No it does not say not to be a compromiser. But that is beside the point as we should not compromise the word of God. The PROBLEM is that you probably think anyone that does not believe like you is a compromiser because they are not your brand of conservative....but you might actually be the compromiser and not even realize it. Some of the MOST conservative people in the bible in Jesus's day were the Pharisees....they were Ultra Conservative AND they had compromised the word of God. Amazing eh?

Mar 7:6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Mar 7:8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."
Mar 7:9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'
Mar 7:11 But you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God)--
Mar 7:12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
Mar 7:13 thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do."


That's pharisees problem though. They thought they could please God with THEIR ability.

God looks for a broken humble heart and faith. In fact a Moderate or a Liberal could just as much as you be trying to please God and obey God even though they don't agree with your view of things. Again....maybe you are the cold or the lukewarm? Think about it. A very conservative person in outward works can be deader than a door nail inwardly


The problem is you decided for yourself that he was talking about being liberal, moderate and conservative and that you put yourself in the best catagory.

bump for Robert

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

What traditions would you keep?
Dan'D

Traditions are not bad necessarily. They are when they become as important as the word. They are when they unnecessarily control people.They are when they restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity...

I would not keep any tradition that unnecessarily control people or restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity.

No tradition should be put on par with the word of God to the point that a member is kicked out or treated poorly because they are not keeping a tradition, even if such a tradition is not necessarily bad.

I can't answer your question directly because we don't all keep the same traditions/