The Admin Team

[ManOfWord]

I believe the Admin IS balanced. Would it be considered "conservative?" It depends on where you're standing. Would it be considered "liberal?" Once again, it depends upon where you're standing.

I believe that being balanced and fair is far more important than being liberal or conservative.

In all reality, some think I'm conservative and others think I'm liberal. I can "roll" with either.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I believe the Admin IS balanced. Would it be considered "conservative?" It depends on where you're standing. Would it be considered "liberal?" Once again, it depends upon where you're standing.

I believe that being balanced and fair is far more important than being liberal or conservative.

In all reality, some think I'm conservative and others think I'm liberal. I can "roll" with either.

Amen...this is exactly what I said to Renda when I first noticed a change in Admin.

[The Mrs]

Maybe we should implement the casting of lots to make our decisions final.

[Cindy]

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

I mean no disrespect toward the new admin team, but I do not think any of them would be considered conservative by a conservative. And SH is PCI in believe. This alone disqualifies him as a true conservative.

I don't really agree with the "conservative/liberal" nomenclature as it is used today among Apostolics. Here, Charlie Brown, I think, shows why.

The "PCI view" was the prevailing viewpoint among Oneness Apostolics throughout the years prior to the merger and in many places even after the merger. In fact, the "PCI view" was the universal view of all Oneness Apostolics beginning with the events leading up to Arroyo Secco campground when the Mighty God in Christ was first "rediscovered" until many decades later.

Given that a "conservative" in any field of discussion is defined as being the one who doesn't want to see much change, the self labeled "conservatives" in our Apostolic ranks today represent a party that has been responsible for massive changes in our doctrine. They have been so liberal in advocating sweeping changes that even "liberal" is too conservative of a label.

The fact that some choose to hide their motives and agendas behind misnomers and subterfuge is also a troubling characteristic we see in some of these same players. Look at how the "conservative" WPF was formed on the backs of misinformation and prevarication.

And then this week, it is reported that one of the "ultra-con" "conservatives" on the UPCI General Board resigned his fellowship card complaining that he "won't be a part of an organization that won't enforce its manual."

Well, what parts of the manual "won't the organization enforce?" It's the many changes that have been made and added to the manual over the years. When Johnny King resigned, he didn't resign over "conservative" principals. He resigned because the org wasn't going along with the changes he wanted to see. And those who advocate change are not the "conservative" party in the debate.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And then what? Does Rico or you really know the pedigree of every Admin as to whether they are conservative or not? What measuring stick to you use to judge whether someone is a true conservative? Maybe a True Conservative bashes liberal preachers and any Trinitarian preacher then cries fowl when one of their own is bashed?

Or maybe a TRUE Conservative decides that if someone does not agree with long sleeves they must be a liberal...never mind that they are conservative on everything else.

Take Hoover...he has to be one of the most conservative people on this board when it comes to his christianinty in practice....but because he is PCI in his view of Acts 2:38 he is a liberal?

or maybe a Conservative is someone that listens to someone say they believe salvation preceeds water baptism but that a person still NEEDS to be baptized in jesus name in obedience to the word and then accuses that person of saying we can be saved WITHOUT repenting?

Or maybe a true conservative is anyone that left the forum stomping their feet on the way muttering how this forum is going hoooooorribly wrong. That might be it....True Conservatives cut and run. True Conservatives duck and hide. True Conservatives just want a forum for True conservatives only? IS that what makes a True Conservative? Then I guess if that is the case most of us are not TRUE Conservatives then...

Let the witch hunt begin. All the people that believe only THEY are the TRUE conservatives can form a caucus and black ball people like SH who are probably just as consistant in their life style as any one else who claims to be conservative but because he is a PCIer in soteriolgy that makes him not a TRUE conservative? Good grief Charlie Brown...you guys have cornered the market on what is a TRUE conservative. I am surprised soeone has not tried to copywrite that word so you can file a lawsuit against any OP that dares claim to be conservative.

Uh, don't lump me into the same category as CB there Prax. I started this thread because of how surprised I was at how the admin team had changed, and later on I posted a tic comment about the conservative admin members to come out of hiding.

The simple truth of the matter is that I always find it amusing that people who have no problem getting on the internet consider themselves conservative when I know (or should I say knew, since I haven't spoken to some of them in several years?) people who wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near the internet, apostolic forum or otherwise.

Anyway, everyone chill out on who is and who ain't conservative on the admin team. I wish I wouldn't have started this thread now because, like most everything else around here, someone just had to turn it into something it wasn't intended to be. What else is new?

[Fiyahstarter]

Whether conservative or liberal, they are all LEVEL-HEADED and FAIR ... which is what makes them highly qualified to moderate!

Thanks, ADMIN.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Whether conservative or liberal, they are all LEVEL-HEADED and FAIR ... which is what makes them highly qualified to moderate!

Thanks, ADMIN.

Ditto

I am a newbie on the site, but I just LOVE the way it seems as though you all are a real family and can go back and forth, argue and then over it and be family and friends again. Thanks for having a site like this!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Whether conservative or liberal, they are all LEVEL-HEADED and FAIR ... which is what makes them highly qualified to moderate!

Thanks, ADMIN.