Understand revelation

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

This is something I've noticed how come REV.20 only speaks a first resurrection I don't see the term second resurrection mentioned in the chapter ?
Also is there a 1,ooo yrs. gap in the first resurrectioned between those are beheaded and who refuse the mark and image of the beast,and the rest of the dead ? See REV.20:4,5

Hi Scott,Who are these,the rest of the dead lived not untill the thousand yrs.are finished ? Dead living is a resurrection.

Rev.20:1: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

At least they graduated. Elders ought to know better, bro, rather than make empty accusations based upon being closed to anything one has not already heard before..

What you can't stand is someone who didn't graduate prove you wrong in every way.Can you construct homes from the ground up ? Do you own your own housing construction business ? You think your smarter then I am because you graduated and I didn't.By the way,I spell alot better then many people who did graduate,so get off your high horse.

[gloryseeker]

Hey there Mr cross-eyed bear....you did a good job in your explanation. Anyway, that is how I have always understood it also....of course my opinion and a $1.75 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

[Beard]

mfblume
Re: Understand revelation
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson View Post
This is something I've noticed how come REV.20 only speaks a first resurrection I don't see the term second resurrection mentioned in the chapter ?
Also is there a 1,ooo yrs. gap in the first resurrectioned between those are beheaded and who refuse the mark and image of the beast,and the rest of the dead ? See REV.20:4,5
There is also no mention of a first death, although a second death is mentioned.

My thoughts are that the first resurrection is Christ's resurrection, into which we are baptized when saved. This allows us to say, like Rom 6:13, that we are alive from the dead when saved.

Then we read that those in the first resurrection do not experience the second death. The second death is the lake of fire. So if you are saved (first resurrection) then you will not go to the lake of fire (second death).

So this leaves the second resurrection and the first death.

The second resurrection would be the physical one of 1 Cor 15.

The first death would be physical death.

So the first resurrection is spiritual at salvation and the second resurrection is physical.

The first death is physical and the second death is spiritual.

Thus, a pattern!

My thoughts, anyway.

Good thoughts...here is another scenario. We all know that Jesus is the resurrection and the life. He is the first resurrection...blessed are those that take part in this first resurrection, on such the second death has no power. Some have already taken part in this resurrection as the dead saints in Jerusalem raised from the dead immediately after Jesus' resurrection proving that the resurrection is sure, Jesus having demonstrated it after his own resurrection; but every man in his own order; Christ first, and then afterwards they that are Christ's after his coming. The ones that are raised after the 1,000 years do not have part in this first resurrection. The first and second resurrections are not simultaneous, but happen at different times. There is a resurrection of the just and a resurrection of the unjust. again, just some thoughts..

Joelel, do not be discouraged as there are hardly two preachers at this time that agree totally in and on all things; but, there will be a time when the body of Christ will be of one mind and one accord being gathered together in one; unto a perfect man. At this present time, there is division according to various ideas and dogmas...but there will be a time when the Revelation of Jesus Christ or revealing of Him will be done by a remnant of the church's seed that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. There are not testimonies of Jesus, plural; but, but the singular testimony of Jesus...all members being joined together into one, having one mind and one accord; thus, revealing Jesus to the world as a witness to all nations and then the end will come...Blessings...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Beard

Good thoughts...here is another scenario. We all know that Jesus is the resurrection and the life. He is the first resurrection...blessed are those that take part in this first resurrection, on such the second death has no power. Some have already taken part in this resurrection as the dead saints in Jerusalem raised from the dead immediately after Jesus' resurrection proving that the resurrection is sure, Jesus having demonstrated it after his own resurrection; but every man in his own order; Christ first, and then afterwards they that are Christ's after his coming.

Amen and amen! Wonderful, bro.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Hey there Mr cross-eyed bear....you did a good job in your explanation. Anyway, that is how I have always understood it also....of course my opinion and a $1.75 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Thanks, bro. We all have our two cents' worth.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Beard

Good thoughts...here is another scenario. We all know that Jesus is the resurrection and the life. He is the first resurrection...blessed are those that take part in this first resurrection, on such the second death has no power. Some have already taken part in this resurrection as the dead saints in Jerusalem raised from the dead immediately after Jesus' resurrection proving that the resurrection is sure, Jesus having demonstrated it after his own resurrection; but every man in his own order; Christ first, and then afterwards they that are Christ's after his coming. The ones that are raised after the 1,000 years do not have part in this first resurrection. The first and second resurrections are not simultaneous, but happen at different times. There is a resurrection of the just and a resurrection of the unjust. again, just some thoughts..

Joelel, do not be discouraged as there are hardly two preachers at this time that agree totally in and on all things; but, there will be a time when the body of Christ will be of one mind and one accord being gathered together in one; unto a perfect man. At this present time, there is division according to various ideas and dogmas...but there will be a time when the Revelation of Jesus Christ or revealing of Him will be done by a remnant of the church's seed that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. There are not testimonies of Jesus, plural; but, but the singular testimony of Jesus...all members being joined together into one, having one mind and one accord; thus, revealing Jesus to the world as a witness to all nations and then the end will come...Blessings...

Hi,First thanks for the encouragement.Yes I.m very aware that most will not agree today and will not untill people gets sin out of their lives.Sin in peoples lives blind them to truth.

I guess you got them there.Anyone in the first resurrection will not be in the second.So if the first resurrection is talking about being raised with Christ they will not be in the second resurrection.No more resurrectios for them.I agree with what you write for the most part.I must go back and study a little closer what you say.May Jesus lead you all the days of your life,i'm sure he will amen.