Preacher Prostitutes

Originally Posted by Newman

I am out in the business world. Are you?

I doubt that there is a higher skill in business than weilding influence; and I doubt that there is an evangelist making a huge sum of money preaching who could not go into sales if he chose.

Right on!!! I agree...

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Stick your head in the sand ... drink the koolaid ... defend the indefensible ... all in the name of righteousness.

Point your finger at the ministry...attack the gifts God gave to the church...drink the wine of self-righteous know-it-allism...all in the name of righteousness.

I just love arm chair quarterbacks who always know how everybody ought to be doing everything, and have all the answers, but don't seem to be doing much except criticizing.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Point your finger at the ministry...attack the gifts God gave to the church...drink the wine of self-righteous know-it-allism...all in the name of righteousness.

I just love arm chair quarterbacks who always know how everybody ought to be doing everything, and have all the answers, but don't seem to be doing much except criticizing.

CS ... your company mentality will not allow you to see outside the lines ... for this I pity you .... either you don't like to be questioned or challenged or you have deputized yourself as the TRUTH Sheriff in town ...

For one that encourages opinions you do a remarkable job in stifling divergent thought .... Keep up the good work ... perhaps your loyalty will be rewarded ....

[RevDWW]

All right now Boys, don't make me stop this car and come back there. Dan, CS play nice. You two are like kids poking each other and calling names.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

CS ... your company mentality will not allow you to see outside the lines ... for this I pity you .... either you don't like to be questioned or challenged or you have deputized yourself as the Sheriff in town ...

For one that encourages opinions you do a remarkable job in stifling divergent thought .... Keep up the good work ... perhaps your loyalty will be rewarded ....

LOL!

If I am loyal to a company, it is the same company the Apostles were loyal to.


Act 4:23 ¶ And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.

I have a certain appreciation for the UPC, but am far from what would be called a "Company Man" in that context. I have been independent more years of my pastorate than I have been UPC.

I am loyal to the Church and the ministry. I am not the least bit ashamed of that, and the only reward I care much about is pleasing the Lord.

Let me share something very sincerely and candidly with you, Daniel.

I am very much put off by anyone whose comunication has a consistent undertone of criticism of the church and the ministry.

God loves the church. God loves the men He calls, just like He loves the saints.

Consider Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Of the three, which one was least signifigant, anf got the least attention from the Lord?

Isaac, without a doubt.

The Lord said, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Isaac, on the other hand, loved Esau.

God seems to be more pleased with those who love what He loves.

I have an idea that you are a pleasant and even mild-mannered person in real life.

But somewhere you have obviously joined yourself with people who have infected you with this spirit of constantly picking at and criticizing what God loves.

I am not stupid. I know there are unscrupulous men in the ministry. I know there are saints who are devils in disguise, too, but you don't see me on here blowing the whistle on them constantly.

Would you like to know why?

Because I love them. I am in love with Jesus and I am in love with His church, warts and all.

Have I been mistreated by saints? You bet.

Have I been done wrong by preachers? You better believe it.

But I read in an old Book one time about a man who was called "a man after God's own heart."

When the king who had hunted him and harassed him like a dog finally was slain, his reaction was not to gloat and exult in justice finally being done--he wailed, "Tell it not in Gath! Publish it not in the streets of Ashkelon!"

This atitude and spirit pleased God.

If you really trust the Lord, and if you really do believe he will do right, it relieves you of the idea that you have to uncover all the dirt and fix all the injustices perpetrated by the unscrupulous.

God has ways of bringing down things and people who displease Him. Never doubt it.

But you do harm to your own spirit when you take upon yourself the task of judging what God gave to the Church.

I defend what I defend because I love what He loves, Daniel. And I want to be pleasing to Him.

Show me one single critic in the Bible who was blessed. Good luck.

I hope this has explained somewhat my motivation.

[SDG]

It's amazing how tunnel-visioned you are ... when it comes to criticizing my friend you are second to none ... I could list them for you ... but its so much better to keep you wondering ..... I love it when you try to the spiritual higher ground and so I'll let you bask in your long-winded dissertation of TRUTH.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

LOL!

If I am loyal to a company, it is the same company the Apostles were loyal to.


Act 4:23 ¶ And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.

I have a certain appreciation for the UPC, but am far from what would be called a "Company Man" in that context. I have been independent more years of my pastorate than I have been UPC.

I am loyal to the Church and the ministry. I am not the least bit ashamed of that, and the only reward I care much about is pleasing the Lord.

Let me share something very sincerely and candidly with you, Daniel.

I am very much put off by anyone whose comunication has a consistent undertone of criticism of the church and the ministry.

God loves the church. God loves the men He calls, just like He loves the saints.

Consider Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Of the three, which one was least signifigant, anf got the least attention from the Lord?

Isaac, without a doubt.

The Lord said, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Isaac, on the other hand, loved Esau.

God seems to be more pleased with those who love what He loves.

I have an idea that you are a pleasant and even mild-mannered person in real life.

But somewhere you have obviously joined yourself with people who have infected you with this spirit of constantly picking at and criticizing what God loves.

I am not stupid. I know there are unscrupulous men in the ministry. I know there are saints who are devils in disguise, too, but you don't see me on here blowing the whistle on them constantly.

Would you like to know why?

Because I love them. I am in love with Jesus and I am in love with His church, warts and all.

Have I been mistreated by saints? You bet.

Have I been done wrong by preachers? You better believe it.

But I read in an old Book one time about a man who was called "a man after God's own heart."

When the king who had hunted him and harassed him like a dog finally was slain, his reaction was not to gloat and exult in justice finally being done--he wailed, "Tell it not in Gath! Publish it not in the streets of Ashkelon!"

This atitude and spirit pleased God.

If you really trust the Lord, and if you really do believe he will do right, it relieves you of the idea that you have to uncover all the dirt and fix all the injustices perpetrated by the unscrupulous.

God has ways of bringing down things and people who displease Him. Never doubt it.

But you do harm to your own spirit when you take upon yourself the task of judging what God gave to the Church.

I defend what I defend because I love what He loves, Daniel. And I want to be pleasing to Him.

Show me one single critic in the Bible who was blessed. Good luck.

I hope this has explained somewhat my motivation.

Well said CS.
The point about Isaac is an eye opener.

[Rhymis]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

LOL!

If I am loyal to a company, it is the same company the Apostles were loyal to.


Act 4:23 ¶ And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.

I have a certain appreciation for the UPC, but am far from what would be called a "Company Man" in that context. I have been independent more years of my pastorate than I have been UPC.

I am loyal to the Church and the ministry. I am not the least bit ashamed of that, and the only reward I care much about is pleasing the Lord.

Let me share something very sincerely and candidly with you, Daniel.

I am very much put off by anyone whose comunication has a consistent undertone of criticism of the church and the ministry.

God loves the church. God loves the men He calls, just like He loves the saints.

Consider Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Of the three, which one was least signifigant, anf got the least attention from the Lord?

Isaac, without a doubt.

The Lord said, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Isaac, on the other hand, loved Esau.

God seems to be more pleased with those who love what He loves.

I have an idea that you are a pleasant and even mild-mannered person in real life.

But somewhere you have obviously joined yourself with people who have infected you with this spirit of constantly picking at and criticizing what God loves.

I am not stupid. I know there are unscrupulous men in the ministry. I know there are saints who are devils in disguise, too, but you don't see me on here blowing the whistle on them constantly.

Would you like to know why?

Because I love them. I am in love with Jesus and I am in love with His church, warts and all.

Have I been mistreated by saints? You bet.

Have I been done wrong by preachers? You better believe it.

But I read in an old Book one time about a man who was called "a man after God's own heart."

When the king who had hunted him and harassed him like a dog finally was slain, his reaction was not to gloat and exult in justice finally being done--he wailed, "Tell it not in Gath! Publish it not in the streets of Ashkelon!"

This atitude and spirit pleased God.

If you really trust the Lord, and if you really do believe he will do right, it relieves you of the idea that you have to uncover all the dirt and fix all the injustices perpetrated by the unscrupulous.

God has ways of bringing down things and people who displease Him. Never doubt it.

But you do harm to your own spirit when you take upon yourself the task of judging what God gave to the Church.

I defend what I defend because I love what He loves, Daniel. And I want to be pleasing to Him.

Show me one single critic in the Bible who was blessed. Good luck.

I hope this has explained somewhat my motivation.

A real trumpet always stands out among the kazoos -- well said CS!!

[Steve Epley]

I have never ask for a certain amount and have never been promised a certain amount. Most of the time it is too much for what they get however there have been a few times .................................................. ............

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It's amazing how tunnel-visioned you are ... when it comes to criticizing my friend you are second to none ... I could list them for you ... but its so much better to keep you wondering ..... I love it when you try to the spiritual higher ground and so I'll let you bask in your long-winded dissertation of TRUTH.

Daniel,

My criticisms are reserved mostly for those who attack and criticize the Church and the ministry.

That is easily seen and demonstrated and can be verified by anybody who wants to use the search function.