Another false and baseless accusation. I could list a number of posters that I don't agree with very much, but have a friendly relationship with. CC1, Reformed Dave, Felicity, ILG, Heavenly One, Pianoman, Maple Leaf, Rico, and the list goes on. Nice attempt to categorize to marginalize there.
**ahem**
I just feel to make it clear here ... hehe ... that I don't always agree with Coonskinner but I'm still friendly with him regardless. Takes a lot of sanctification but I manage it somehow or other.
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1. Do you disagree with the statement "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world"?
Yes I also disagree that the moon is made out of green cheese. I don't go for the new paradigm of single mothers. I don't think lesbians make great mothers. I don't think a "couple" can be two homosexuals. I am a traditional sort Newman and I think the best paradigm for a good family is a husband and wife working together.
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2. How many families do you know that are in church if the mother isn't? How many are in church if the father isn't?
I know many mothers in church whose families are not. In fact it is more likely that if the father goes the rest of the family will
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This isn't to say that women are more powerful; but recognizing that there seems to be some patterns...
What patterns and yes it sure seems some of the posts lately are not just out to help women but rather are biased against men
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Hey, maybe its all about who cooks supper and not about gender!
Men usually end up cooking for themselves nowadays now that both are working, or the single mother decides the man is disposable.
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But let's talk about it instead of accusing each side of discrimination.
I wasn't the first one to mention discrimination, nor was I the one that suggested Adam wasn't worth the dirt he was made from so Satan attacks the women nor was I the one that suggested families only need a woman not a man. What garbage lol
If you read my posts I say they need BOTH. Im balanced. I said both can be abused and persecuted, not just the woman. I said both are the targets of Satan. Balanced...you see I don't have an agenda to promote males above women nor do I oppose women being treated fairly. I do oppose anything that denigrates males which is often the case when these kinds of discussions come up. Typically people who try to take the side you seem to be on don't know how to have balance. They don't see a middle ground. They are liberals. The people who will take the opposite side and promote the male are probably conservatives more than likely.
The people who realize it's just a trick of Satan to DIVIDE us to take those extreme sides are moderates and we sit here in the middle just shaking our heads at the both of ya.
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You amaze me. I didn't mean or allude to the assertion you made that families don't need men. Doggoneit Prax...I think just the oposite than that. I will even concede to the fact I need one.
The fact is, in or out of the church, the women by nature are nurturers even of their husbands. And if the woman folds, a man just finds another woman to take her spot because it is very difficult for men and children to survive without a Mom and a wife. But our country is made up of primarily single parent families; women with children & at poverty level. Women and children SURVIVE but just barely.
If you are insinuating that I am a liberal feminist you are out of your ever lovin' mind. My prayer and desire is that our churches be filled with healthy families with a two parent home and a Father that loves his wife, the mother of his children, and children that have respect and honor their parents. It comes from the head down. If the head is dysfunctional then the whole body/family is dysfunctional.
God give us men who don't abuse their position and who cover their families financially, spiritually, and will die for their family's protection.
Sincerely, Rhoni
Well it sure seems that way Rhoni. Im not trying to insinuate anything. Im reading these posts and I see no balance. I see nothing good about men....all I see is empowerment to the woman and why Satan wants to get at her...because if he does that will destroy the family? That seems rather odd to say. It seems absolute. I have seen many statements here that seem absolute and unbalanced.
Rhoni I apologize if I misunderstood you but please reconsider how you word things in your post. I have seen some disturbing trends in this thread and I have seen the same in this forum. What happens is in order to take one side and present the issues a hyperbole of a sorts is formed...someone ends up playing Devils Advocate to tear down one side usually in a misguided attempt to seem tolerate to the other side. The same thing is happening in race relations all across America. To equal out the races, rather than try to help the one side it really amounts to tearing down the other.
Whites are made the devil incarnate...all of them. No true investigation into that person is made, they are all labeled racists and power hungry etc etc. Our world is becoming polarized into two extremes with no middle balanced ground or no attempt to seek a balance. Every side wants more than a share of the cake, they want the whole thing
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Thank you, Newman!! Good post and good questions...I'll take a stab at these...
1. Do you disagree with the statement "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world"? Yes, I do...Abraham Lincoln said, "All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my mother."
You know...I wonder if he had a dad....hmmmm. Im glad he loved his mother, but just because old Abe says it does not make it true for everyone. Many mothers are crack heads. Many dads are just not there.
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This does NOT mean that men don't have a role to play or a voice...heaven forbid!! God ordained for the home to be a man and a woman, however, life tells us sometimes one or the other is absent from this scene, OR unable or unwilling to fulfill their rightful position.
Well gee thanks. I feel better now. Men have a role. lol
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2. How many families do you know that are in church if the mother isn't? How many are in church if the father isn't? It is just a fact that Sanctified churches are overrun with women, especially in the Black community, of which I am quite familiar.
Yes however being a woman in church does not make the rest come. Yet I believe I have read it somewhere that when the man comes and commits the rest of the family comes. Wonder why?
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It happens, sure, that fathers are saved and mothers are not, but for some reason unknown to this uneducated poster it tends to be the women who are in the majority in these cases.
There are patterns indeed, and those more in tune with things may expound to a greater degree.
Maybe it's because our churches actually pander to them more? We always had ladies groups but not men. Until recently we had ladies prayer meetings but not men. Maybe the man feels oppressed and persecuted haha. Maybe they tire of churches that demands they submit to another man? Oh we are such a wretched class of beings. When will the mighty Amazon lady come and wescue us *sniff sniff* lol
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Im reading these posts and I see no balance. I see nothing good about men....all I see is empowerment to the woman and why Satan wants to get at her...because if he does that will destroy the family? That seems rather odd to say. It seems absolute. I have seen many statements here that seem absolute and unbalanced.
Prax.......
If you've read through the thread you'll see some balance.
__________________ Smiles & Blessings.... ~Felicity Welsh~ (surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
Well it sure seems that way Rhoni. Im not trying to insinuate anything. Im reading these posts and I see no balance. I see nothing good about men....all I see is empowerment to the woman and why Satan wants to get at her...because if he does that will destroy the family? That seems rather odd to say. It seems absolute. I have seen many statements here that seem absolute and unbalanced.
Rhoni I apologize if I misunderstood you but please reconsider how you word things in your post. I have seen some disturbing trends in this thread and I have seen the same in this forum. What happens is in order to take one side and present the issues a hyperbole of a sorts is formed...someone ends up playing Devils Advocate to tear down one side usually in a misguided attempt to seem tolerate to the other side. The same thing is happening in race relations all across America. To equal out the races, rather than try to help the one side it really amounts to tearing down the other.
Whites are made the devil incarnate...all of them. No true investigation into that person is made, they are all labeled racists and power hungry etc etc. Our world is becoming polarized into two extremes with no middle balanced ground or no attempt to seek a balance. Every side wants more than a share of the cake, they want the whole thing
It would appear that our world is confused and tolerance goes too far as well as prejudice and discrimination. American culture is each man for himself and pay no attention who you step on in the process. This is the spirit of the age..the spirit of the anti-christ.
There is more balance than you think on this forum. If people would stop trying to read so much into thoughtless posts. We all see through a glass darkly but one day...
You know...I wonder if he had a dad....hmmmm. Im glad he loved his mother, but just because old Abe says it does not make it true for everyone. Many mothers are crack heads. Many dads are just not there.
Well gee thanks. I feel better now. Men have a role. lol
Yes however being a woman in church does not make the rest come. Yet I believe I have read it somewhere that when the man comes and commits the rest of the family comes. Wonder why?
Maybe it's because our churches actually pander to them more? We always had ladies groups but not men. Until recently we had ladies prayer meetings but not men. Maybe the man feels oppressed and persecuted haha. Maybe they tire of churches that demands they submit to another man? Oh we are such a wretched class of beings. When will the mighty Amazon lady come and wescue us *sniff sniff* lol
Prax, you need to take a deep breath here...I am not denegrating men...not at all. Just answering the girl's questions and giving an opinion. LOL!!
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