If the black community really wants the nation at large to join in the fight against the break down of the "family", it must stop blaming whites for the problems, and stop allowing the government to fund "victimhood" that keeps them down and dependent. Stand up and condemn the race baiters, and the enablers, that enrich themselves by stirring up tensions. Most folks in this country want to live in peace and harmony with all others.
I am encouraged by more and more black folks speaking out against these very things, I hold great respect for the honesty and courage. And I long for the day, the we are not segmented into communities, in our politics and our beliefs. We are not segmented nearly as much in our physical communities. I live in a gated community and have wonderful black neighbors, it is great to see how we all can enjoy the blessings of this great nation when we work and live together instead of fighting one another.
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My question stands, even though i think your answer has already been revealed.... Imo the black community as a whole is so upset with the rampant immorality, multiple children born to different mothers, the drugs,the rampant murders , the black on black crime period, that they look for anything to blame it on except the one in the mirror and " whitey" is a great target, despite the fact zim is multi cultural and despite the fact Zim was a strong advocate for the black community over the years, none of that matters,as long as we convince people its" the mans" fault,just blame it all on "the man" The black community as a whole will be outraged to learn anything different about this incident and they will plug their ears and scream its all been fixed, the man did it, the man did it.
Can I ask you a question? Honestly, how many black individuals have you had an intimate in depth conversation about this case (or any of the other issues you referred to for that matter)? What I'm telling you is that as a black person who has had many conversations with other black people, I can tell you with absolute confidence that your assessment is not anywhere near universally accurate in the Zimmerman case. This case, to me and many other people of many races (black included), is largely about a man who clearly overstepped his bounds, killed a kid who was guilty of nothing other than walking home, and was himself allowed to walk away. The racial overtones come in when discussing the role that the race of the kid played in the initial confrontation and in the police's decision to so readily allow him to walk.
Yes, there are many black people who are so jaded in their view of police and justice in America, that they feel you have to march and demand justice in order for it to be done. But there are millions more like myself who know that if you just shine a light on wherever "the good old boy network " is operating, that is generally enough to make people start to get in line. If you don't think it's possible in a small town for the son of a judge to receive preferential treatment that rises to the level of injustice in a case like this, you may be naive.
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
If the black community really wants the nation at large to join in the fight against the break down of the "family", it must stop blaming whites for the problems, and stop allowing the government to fund "victimhood" that keeps them down and dependent. Stand up and condemn the race baiters, and the enablers, that enrich themselves by stirring up tensions. Most folks in this country want to live in peace and harmony with all others.
I am encouraged by more and more black folks speaking out against these very things, I hold great respect for the honesty and courage. And I long for the day, the we are not segmented into communities, in our politics and our beliefs. We are not segmented nearly as much in our physical communities. I live in a gated community and have wonderful black neighbors, it is great to see how we all can enjoy the blessings of this great nation when we work and live together instead of fighting one another.
Crak, conversely if the white community wants to be able to fight against the things that we all see as a threat to family and security, they must stop viewing the black community in such a monolithic way. There are millions who preach the same message that you just preached. However, like I said before, mainstream media is in the business of selling sensation and Sharpton gets you all way more worked up and interested than these other voices.
What I see happening now is that many in the white community are so opposed to Sharpton that they are motivated to oppose him no matter the particulars of a case. The danger is that whenever there are real injustices (and there are) and the Sharptons shows up (and they will), we run the risk of people on both sides being polarized because they are distracted by their voices.
It's difficult for me to even have this conversation here as individuals because my brain is screaming "what exactly does Sharpton, Jackson, and Sheila Jackson Lee have to do with this case?"
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
In your opinion Tstew,what do you think will happen if they find Zimmerman not guilty? Will the protesters finally leave it alone?
I honestly think that in order for most people to leave it alone, there would have to be pretty convincing evidence at this point. But we have seen, like in the Duke lacrosse case, the ability for even extreme people to step back and say we were wrong or at least let a case go when they realize that.
My confusion about some people's position here is that it flies in the face of what the evidence suggests so far. Granted we may have not seen all the evidence, but I just don't understand where some of the conviction of some people come from.
Like I said before, if there was anything about the 911 call that remotely suggested concern about his safety and not aggression on his part, I could understand. If he confirmed he would be waiting where he told them his truck was as opposed to not knowing where he would be when the police arrived, I would understand. If the confrontation took place at his vehicle, I would understand. If he was battered and bloody when he was taken to jail, I might still say that he unnecessarily pursued and created a confrontation when there didn't need to be one, but I might understand some people's position better. If he was taken to the hospital to be treated for a life and death struggle with a 17 year old, I might understand. As it stands, I don't know where the conviction of some people come from.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
I honestly think that in order for most people to leave it alone, there would have to be pretty convincing evidence at this point. But we have seen, like in the Duke lacrosse case, the ability for even extreme people to step back and say we were wrong or at least let a case go when they realize that.
My confusion about some people's position here is that it flies in the face of what the evidence suggests so far. Granted we may have not seen all the evidence, but I just don't understand where some of the conviction of some people come from.
Like I said before, if there was anything about the 911 call that remotely suggested concern about his safety and not aggression on his part, I could understand. If he confirmed he would be waiting where he told them his truck was as opposed to not knowing where he would be when the police arrived, I would understand. If the confrontation took place at his vehicle, I would understand. If he was battered and bloody when he was taken to jail, I might still say that he unnecessarily pursued and created a confrontation when there didn't need to be one, but I might understand some people's position better. If he was taken to the hospital to be treated for a life and death struggle with a 17 year old, I might understand. As it stands, I don't know where the conviction of some people come from.
I'm just tired of the media circus. People are murdered all across the country every single day, and their murders barely merit a one paragraph article in the local section of the newspaper. This whole thing has left such a sour taste in my mouth, that I frankly don't want to hear another word about it.
It shouldn't even be about race, it's a sad situation, and it needs to be resolved fairly, but now it's a "cause", and we really don't need any more of those, in my opinion.
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Crak, conversely if the white community wants to be able to fight against the things that we all see as a threat to family and security, they must stop viewing the black community in such a monolithic way. There are millions who preach the same message that you just preached. However, like I said before, mainstream media is in the business of selling sensation and Sharpton gets you all way more worked up and interested than these other voices.
What I see happening now is that many in the white community are so opposed to Sharpton that they are motivated to oppose him no matter the particulars of a case. The danger is that whenever there are real injustices (and there are) and the Sharptons shows up (and they will), we run the risk of people on both sides being polarized because they are distracted by their voices.
It's difficult for me to even have this conversation here as individuals because my brain is screaming "what exactly does Sharpton, Jackson, and Sheila Jackson Lee have to do with this case?"
Frankly Stew? Those are the faces Americans see in their minds because the media chases them, and they chase the media. And that really hurts the black community. It's like if Rush Limbaugh or some other idiot, was the face of injustice to white people.
Someone needs to tell these kind of people, sit down and shut up.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Frankly Stew? Those are the faces Americans see in their minds because the media chases them, and they chase the media. And that really hurts the black community. It's like if Rush Limbaugh or some other idiot, was the face of injustice to white people.
Someone needs to tell these kind of people, sit down and shut up.
They are never going to sit down and shut up because this is all too lucrative for them and frankly for others (non-black) who profit from the controversy they peddle. To me, the issue is how much you allow them to affect you.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
I'm just tired of the media circus. People are murdered all across the country every single day, and their murders barely merit a one paragraph article in the local section of the newspaper. This whole thing has left such a sour taste in my mouth, that I frankly don't want to hear another word about it.
It shouldn't even be about race, it's a sad situation, and it needs to be resolved fairly, but now it's a "cause", and we really don't need any more of those, in my opinion.
I tend to agree. I do believe there are cases of injustice, particularly in small town politics, where a degree of exposure and pressure is needed to be sure that the right thing is done. However, we have reached that point and gone beyond it.
I am from a small town in Florida and I have seen things that convince me that sometimes a bit of exposure is good, but there are always those who will see the exposure and wish to exploit it. None of that changes the particulars of the actual case though.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
I honestly think that in order for most people to leave it alone, there would have to be pretty convincing evidence at this point. But we have seen, like in the Duke lacrosse case, the ability for even extreme people to step back and say we were wrong or at least let a case go when they realize that.
My confusion about some people's position here is that it flies in the face of what the evidence suggests so far. Granted we may have not seen all the evidence, but I just don't understand where some of the conviction of some people come from.
Like I said before, if there was anything about the 911 call that remotely suggested concern about his safety and not aggression on his part, I could understand. If he confirmed he would be waiting where he told them his truck was as opposed to not knowing where he would be when the police arrived, I would understand. If the confrontation took place at his vehicle, I would understand. If he was battered and bloody when he was taken to jail, I might still say that he unnecessarily pursued and created a confrontation when there didn't need to be one, but I might understand some people's position better. If he was taken to the hospital to be treated for a life and death struggle with a 17 year old, I might understand. As it stands, I don't know where the conviction of some people come from.
It boils down to this... if Tay attacked Zim or even went for his gun then I don't think murder or manslaughter charges will stick. Other charges may stick though - especially if a civil case is allowed to go forward.
If you are right about Zim having no injuries - it will be a more difficult case to make, but not at all impossible - the burden of proof will be on prosecutors.
If Zim has a history of assisting law enforcement in previous cases, that will work in his favor. Also, I suspect any inference of "Hate Crime" will be swiftly dropped due to the race of Zim - not to mention his personal involvement as an advocate in the Black community.
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