How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Anyone that picks up literature written in Koine Greek, copied in Latin, Middle English and in various forms today, text that relates back 2,000 years, some going back much further than that (Apocryphal and OT canon), different language, culture, time, thought, ideas, entire civilization using different ways of expression, to come back and say "plain and simple" is quite laughable.

What is plain and simple is the story form of Scripture. What is not so plain and simple are many of the details.

I guess men that spend 50-60 years with these Texts are quite "plain and simple" men too.

Is it just me, or do others find solitude and rest while surrounded by Creation? I experience great simplicity there, and pondering God in places where I can't see man's hand brings me great relief.

Reaching for God without the talons of Religion wrapped around my neck is beyond words. A roaring waterfall and the crack of thunder leave me in awe! I’ve sat on weathered and fallen trees, watching life turn these old relics into a home. When the sun cradles beneath the evening sky and a fish pierces the water for one last insect, stress, anger, and much of life’s woes are forgotten.

The older men have one thing that seems to bring them into greater dimensions of simplicity; experience.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Dang these fakes have got to stop...they get my blood pressure up....

That's Stan's mission in life.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Is it just me, or do others find solitude and rest while surrounded by Creation? I experience great simplicity there, and pondering God in places where I can't see man's hand brings me great relief.

Reaching for God without the talons of Religion wrapped around my neck is beyond words. A roaring waterfall and the crack of thunder leave me in awe! I’ve sat on weathered and fallen trees, watching life turn these old relics into a home. When the sun cradles beneath the evening sky and a fish pierces the water for one last insect, stress, anger, and much of life’s woes are forgotten.

The older men have one thing that seems to bring them into greater dimensions of simplicity; experience.

NotForSale........Awe...... the awesomeness of experience. It's "a friend that sticketh closer than a brother!" Oh, now don't crucify me for taking that out of context! But, experience speaks to us in such away that nothing else can. You can tell me what I should do and should not do, what I should believe and should not believe, but you CANNOT tell me what I have experienced! Yet, I must be honest with my experiences.

By the way, my experience is NOTFORSALE! NFS....just a play on words.

Been Thinkin

[easter]

The thing is... There is scripture stating that there is a distinct difference between being Born of the Holy Spirit and being Baptised in the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

Now according to this Ephesians 1:13 All who have repented and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior are sealed by the Holy Spirit.


Acts 19:1-6 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues


Acts 19:1-6 [brings us another important insight. Notice that the apostle Paul considered these believers to be baptized disciples. Paul’s question establishes the fact that it is perfectly appropriate to ask a water-baptized Christian, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” There is a clear difference between being “born of the Spirit” (John 3:5) and “baptized with the Holy Spirit.” They are entirely different Greek words. The context — they spoke in tongues in verse 6 — shows that Paul’s question “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” was asked in the sense of “Have you water-baptized disciples been baptized with the Holy Spirit yet?”


The gifts are still for today.Do people always speak in tongues as evidence of being born again?No, according to Ephesians 1:13 all that come to Christ are sealed by the Holy Spirit(born again by the Holy Spirit)
There are some who confuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit with being born again and this is not correct if we stay in the word of God.If one is saved (sealed) but has never received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues then the saved person is still sealed by the Holy Spirit.They will remain a baby Christian not growing in God but having to remain as a baby on the milk because they have not grown in God(
To cause someone to doubt their salvation by teaching they are not saved if they do not show proof by speaking in tongue is not biblical and this will place a stumbling block in the way of one who believes in Jesus if they do not have faith enough to know that what Jesus done on the cross was enough to secure their salvation by His blood.
However it is most necessary for one to be baptised in the Holy Spirit so that they will grow in God,become mature for the meat(the word of God and all his ways)
(Hebrews 5:12-14 NIV) In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil

Now this is why some receive one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit(Tongues) and some don't,this is why some believe and some don't.
However I do believe in the gift of tongues but I do not agree that it is a sign of having salvation.Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and what he done on the cross.
Jesus is the only way to receive salvation and the Holy Spirit is a gift to the believer and all who are saved receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and not just an elite few.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by easter

The thing is... There is scripture stating that there is a distinct difference between being Born of the Holy Spirit and being Baptised in the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

Now according to this Ephesians 1:13 All who have repented and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior are sealed by the Holy Spirit.


Acts 19:1-6 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues


Acts 19:1-6 [brings us another important insight. Notice that the apostle Paul considered these believers to be baptized disciples. Paul’s question establishes the fact that it is perfectly appropriate to ask a water-baptized Christian, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” There is a clear difference between being “born of the Spirit” (John 3:5) and “baptized with the Holy Spirit.” They are entirely different Greek words. The context — they spoke in tongues in verse 6 — shows that Paul’s question “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” was asked in the sense of “Have you water-baptized disciples been baptized with the Holy Spirit yet?”


The gifts are still for today.Do people always speak in tongues as evidence of being born again?No, according to Ephesians 1:13 all that come to Christ are sealed by the Holy Spirit(born again by the Holy Spirit)
There are some who confuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit with being born again and this is not correct if we stay in the word of God.If one is saved (sealed) but has never received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues then the saved person is still sealed by the Holy Spirit.They will remain a baby Christian not growing in God but having to remain as a baby on the milk because they have not grown in God(
To cause someone to doubt their salvation by teaching they are not saved if they do not show proof by speaking in tongue is not biblical and this will place a stumbling block in the way of one who believes in Jesus if they do not have faith enough to know that what Jesus done on the cross was enough to secure their salvation by His blood.
However it is most necessary for one to be baptised in the Holy Spirit so that they will grow in God,become mature for the meat(the word of God and all his ways)
(Hebrews 5:12-14 NIV) In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil

Now this is why some receive one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit(Tongues) and some don't,this is why some believe and some don't.
However I do believe in the gift of tongues but I do not agree that it is a sign of having salvation.Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and what he done on the cross.
Jesus is the only way to receive salvation and the Holy Spirit is a gift to the believer and all who are saved receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and not just an elite few.

[tv1a]

Huh? **************

Originally Posted by tv1a

Many on this forum thinks speaking in tongues is a spiritual *************. Scripture says the angels have a party when one comes to REPENTANCE>

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Huh? **************

It means admin thought the word was too crass, so they censored it with "******"

[luzsilver]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Narrow? Privileged few? Those that know how to repeat what they've heard? Those that say, "Hallelujah" so quickly that everyone starts yelling and says it's the Holy Ghost?

This whole subject lights my fire. It's an insult the the Holy Spirit that indwells EVERY believer, not just the special few that manage to regurgitate unintelligible "words" that no one understands.

you need it you need it , uninteligible words? God understands them . are you saying Gods spirit is regurgitating silly you . like i said you need it you need it .
c

[luzsilver]

Originally Posted by notofworks

A decoder ring, maybe?

way too much tv

[luzsilver]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Of course I agree with him! He said 2011 is the end of the world. Period. And the rapture is on May 21, 2011. He believes one has no choice in repentance, too. Salvation is unmerited, cannot be achieved by good works or prayer, and is a pure act of God's grace. Go, Harold!

not man not the angels NOT EVEN TOM DICK OR (HAROLD } ONLY GOD