David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision - Page 48

CC1 · #**471** 03-05-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

I can almost always tell when certain subjects will bring SweetPea out of hiding. She seems to remain sweet in spite of any negativity ... and that's a point in her favor.
Raven

Yup. She is a sweet.......pea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet Pea · #**472** 03-05-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

I can almost always tell when certain subjects will bring SweetPea out of hiding. She seems to remain sweet in spite of any negativity ... and that's a point in her favor.
Raven

There are those that would disagree with you on that. Some would say I am too defensive.

And I knew my comments regarding LY would bring a comment from you. And as I typed them, I wondered if you would agree with my assessment or recollection of that situation. :biggrin:

Raven · #**473** 03-06-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

There are those that would disagree with you on that. Some would say I am too defensive.

And I knew my comments regarding LY would bring a comment from you. And as I typed them, I wondered if you would agree with my assessment or recollection of that situation. :biggrin:

SweetPea
You're not defensive just loyal to a fault! [When I find out who you really are I might change that.

] Your assessment of LY was pretty much correct at face value and his actions did hasten his departure. That being said, I did agree with where he was coming from and thought his leaving was a dark day in the history of the school. There were others there in leadership that had the same thoughts as he did only they didn't voice them. But that's muddy water under the bridge and I choose to look forward.

Sweet Pea · #**474** 03-06-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

SweetPea
You're not defensive just loyal to a fault! [When I find out who you really are I might change that.

] Your assessment of LY was pretty much correct at face value and his actions did hasten his departure. That being said, I did agree with where he was coming from and thought his leaving was a dark day in the history of the school. There were others there in leadership that had the same thoughts as he did only they didn't voice them. But that's muddy water under the bridge and I choose to look forward.

TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!

A_PoMo · #**475** 03-06-2008, 12:45 AM

Perhaps LY did things to hasten his departure and I do agree it was a dark day for the school. He was the best teacher we had, bar none. I was there when he preached his infamous message and I was one of the young ministers cheering him on when he said "Our young ministers sit on the sidelines as the blood flows as we fight each other. We have got to stop fighting and get along!" I asked his boss afterwards, who happened to also be my boss and we shared an adjoining walls in our respective offices, why he fired LY. He told me it was because of LY's reference in his message to OH wearing jewelry in her photos of the book she wrote about her husband. He got pretty agitated and said more than once "I can deal with teaching that 'light' stuff at the school. But he shouldn't have brought my mother into it! He should have left my mother out of it, that's why he's gone." Words cannot describe how profoundly disappointed I was to hear him say that. In my mind it was just more blood flowing and I thought he was above that sort of thing. Literally, it was at that moment that I began to plan my exit out of the UPC. It was a watershed moment for me as I stood in front of his desk in his office. I remember it like it was yesterday. I went into my office and shut the door and cried because I knew it was over for me. Perhaps that's not the real reason LY got canned, but it is the reason I was given from the man himself and I have to believe what he said to me personally.

Sweet Pea: No that's not me in my avatar. Like the other poster said, I could only wish I was that cool. haha.

Sweet Pea · #**476** 03-06-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

..... I asked his boss afterwards, who happened to also be my boss and we shared an adjoining walls in our respective offices,

Hm-m-m-m-m-m.... adjoining wall with your boss? OR adjoining wall with LY? Now you've got me to thinking....

papapraiz · #**477** 03-06-2008, 05:47 AM

What is LY doing today?

scotty · #**478** 03-06-2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Everybody,

Please note that Scotty has decreed that no one can ever disagree with any old time Oneness Pentecostal standards, doctrines, or traditions on AFF.

Please confine your discussion to the various methods of making peanut brittle and other fundraising activities or just how much holier your particular church is than the neighboring OP one.

Thank You.

Be honest now CC1, if your going to insert your own opinion then at least quote me so everyone else can get there own opinion. so here is what I said.

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Originally Posted by scotty

You mean people who like to charactorize the whole org and its believers based on individual experiences?

There are enough orgs. out there that one of them should be fitting. why do you want to come change mine? I like mine the way it is. You don't see me going to AoG and trying to change them to my conservative views.

scotty · #**479** 03-06-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Very much so. I found it funny he was telling everybody who has an issue with the extra biblical legalism they shouldn't say anything about it since they are not UPC, etc. As if you have to be UPC to discuss UPC issues.

Many of us have our roots in the UPC and still have many friends and family members that are a part of it so it is still important to us. Not to mention I have hope that it will progress to a point where it will get beyond the extra biblical legalism and truly bring Jesus Name Baptism to the world and the rest of Christendom.

Now see CC1, there you go again. You want to tell us how wrong we are fine, I could do the same about you but I will not be a judge. I do have the right however to argue against your hopes. What if I and others don't want the changes in UPC that you do? How come people who have left the org. think they should determine how those of us in the org. should believe?

Do you seriously not see the wrong in that?

If your child at the age of 18 decides he doesn't want to live under your rules anymore and moves out, what would you think if that child was still trying to change the rules of your home from the outside? Silly isn't it.

You want to change the UPC, come on back, roll your sleeves up and help, don't give up and leave and then think that in all your new found infinate wisdom that you can change things.

I don't want change in UPC, I would like to see change in the church that hurt your wife, but that is not representive of the whole org.

Mrs. LPW · #**480** 03-06-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

The real question is do YOU have facial hair????

My wife agrees with you by the way. The UPC is just a distant part of her past to her. She doesn't understand why I still associate with UPC folks, forums, etc like I do. She has lots of UPC relatives and some friends but getting her to visit a UPC church is like pulling teeth. She had some bad experiences with people who didn't know her from Adam judging her by her looks and trying to drag her to altars in the first few years after we left back in the early 80's. I, of course, fit in just fine in any old time Pentecostal meeting. The most I have to do is pull of my wedding ring and the one other ring I wear and I look like a typical fat Pentecostal preacher!

I am sorry if it bothers you I am still interested in the UPC and what it does but that is the way it is. I am not going away!

Doesn't bother me as long as you're nice about it.

(And we wear wedding rings here too, so just take your World Series Diamond Ring off and we can be friends

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