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11-01-2007, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
One other reason a church might find it necessary to cut back on support is because they have less finances available. It's difficult for me to believe that these churches will be unaffected by leaving the UPC. Usually there is a certain percent of any congregation that simply want to remain in the organization even though the pastor left. Are saints in the USA that loyal that they will simply follow the pastor out of the UPC?
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I think it all depends on who the pastor is, and how long he has pastored that particular congregation. Most of the names I've seen listed here are of pastors who have been in their pulpits for many, many years, in fact, many of those pastors started their churches from scratch.
So, yes, I'd have to say that the saints will follow the pastor without question. His spiritual DNA is in them, and most likely they've shared his viewpoints about the organization and what it stands for for years anyway.
It would be more difficult for a new pastor to sway an existing congregation, that's for sure.
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11-01-2007, 08:56 AM
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The UPCI Needs a Healer
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11-01-2007, 09:12 AM
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Is there an echo, echo, echo in here?
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11-01-2007, 09:28 AM
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Kent, the UPCI has a healer... JESUS... He is the only healer needed... However you and I both know that the only way He can heal the very conservative side is to agree with them and the only way He could heal the less conservative side is agree with them... If Jesus voiced himself through someone who voted yes, that would disqualify Him to the no people and vice versa... It is not pleasant to think about but true nonetheless...
The bottom line is there probably will be a split of some sort and I, for one, don't think that is a bad thing. In fact I believe we can reach more people split than together, with the way it is right now... The no's will be out to show that it can be done without TV and the yes's will be out to show that it can be greater than ever with TV. It is amazing we probably won't be fighting each other near as much as we are concentrated on winning the lost. The devil better watch out... Sinners better be on alert, both sides will be coming after them more than ever before.
To those that are leaving, I wish them well and hope they have the revival they are dreaming of... I will stay out of their way... For us who are staying, I am happy for the opportunity to finally win the lost by any means necessary without opposition...
By the way Kent, are you staying or going???
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11-01-2007, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor G
Kent, the UPCI has a healer... JESUS... He is the only healer needed... However you and I both know that the only way He can heal the very conservative side is to agree with them and the only way He could heal the less conservative side is agree with them... If Jesus voiced himself through someone who voted yes, that would disqualify Him to the no people and vice versa... It is not pleasant to think about but true nonetheless...
The bottom line is there probably will be a split of some sort and I, for one, don't think that is a bad thing. In fact I believe we can reach more people split than together, with the way it is right now... The no's will be out to show that it can be done without TV and the yes's will be out to show that it can be greater than ever with TV. It is amazing we probably won't be fighting each other near as much as we are concentrated on winning the lost. The devil better watch out... Sinners better be on alert, both sides will be coming after them more than ever before.
To those that are leaving, I wish them well and hope they have the revival they are dreaming of... I will stay out of their way... For us who are staying, I am happy for the opportunity to finally win the lost by any means necessary without opposition...
By the way Kent, are you staying or going???
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Great outlook!
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11-01-2007, 11:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor G
Kent, the UPCI has a healer... JESUS... He is the only healer needed... However you and I both know that the only way He can heal the very conservative side is to agree with them and the only way He could heal the less conservative side is agree with them... If Jesus voiced himself through someone who voted yes, that would disqualify Him to the no people and vice versa... It is not pleasant to think about but true nonetheless...
The bottom line is there probably will be a split of some sort and I, for one, don't think that is a bad thing. In fact I believe we can reach more people split than together, with the way it is right now... The no's will be out to show that it can be done without TV and the yes's will be out to show that it can be greater than ever with TV. It is amazing we probably won't be fighting each other near as much as we are concentrated on winning the lost. The devil better watch out... Sinners better be on alert, both sides will be coming after them more than ever before.
To those that are leaving, I wish them well and hope they have the revival they are dreaming of... I will stay out of their way... For us who are staying, I am happy for the opportunity to finally win the lost by any means necessary without opposition...
By the way Kent, are you staying or going???
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You think we can reach more people split than unified? Sorry, I disagree. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I have seen it numorous times, where there has been 4, 5, or even 6 or more churches in a town of 20,000 or less that has pretty much the same doctrine, but because of the bickering amongst these churches there was no growth. A split will not make soul winning more successful, rather, it will make it more of a hinderance than anything.
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11-01-2007, 11:02 AM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Great outlook!
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Ya think?
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11-01-2007, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
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Bro. Eastman the reason that revival has been hindered is that the UPCI has been divided against itself. Now with the vote in Tampa we are seeing some leave and some stay. I think it is a good thing for both sides. Those who leave will have more unity among them then they had while remaining in the UPCI and vice versa.
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11-01-2007, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller
Bro. Eastman the reason that revival has been hindered is that the UPCI has been divided against itself. Now with the vote in Tampa we are seeing some leave and some stay. I think it is a good thing for both sides. Those who leave will have more unity among them then they had while remaining in the UPCI and vice versa.
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I totally agree with this.
As I mentioned yesterday, Peter and Paul were both tremendous men of God, and withstood each other to the face, parted ways, and impacted their world.
To refer to the UPC as the "house" that Jesus refers to is incorrect - it's the "church" that he's referring to, and whether you are a part of the organization or not has nothing to do with whether you are part of the "church" or not.
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11-01-2007, 12:59 PM
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Amen Micheal... Hey when did you leave Michigan?
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