Has evolutionism become a leading religion?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Christians HAVE many fakes, many preachers being fakes. So using your logic that someone claiming to be an evolutionists brings in a fake that should mean evolution is wrong, according to your twisted logic Coco. Applying that false logic to Christianity would mean Christianity is fake too. Coco logic

Are you posting to some imaginary hominid named coco?

That may explain why you have been unable to address evolution as a religion and chase your pet old earth speculations and opinions.

[Jason B]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/medi...o/ondemand/p/6

A former atheistic evolutionist professor speaks of his converion to crhristianity (and theistic evolution) to young earth (Biblical) creationism.

[jfrog]

Even if the earth was created by God about 10,000 years ago, that doesn't mean the earth isn't billions of years old...

Now before you call me crazy, seriously think about what I am saying...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Even if the earth was created by God about 10,000 years ago, that doesn't mean the earth isn't billions of years old...

Now before you call me crazy, seriously think about what I am saying...

Ok...I tried. It makes my brain hurt. Maybe the Asgard used their time dilation device to slow down time on the earth?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok...I tried. It makes my brain hurt. Maybe the Asgard used their time dilation device to slow down time on the earth?

Stargate reference

So the question is how can God create the earth 10,000 years ago but the earth also be billions of years old? It is my opinion that God is not limited to only being able to create objects with the appearance of age. It is my opinion that God is able to create objects with an actual age. What is the difference?

Well the most striking difference is that objects with an appearance of age are lacking some vital history. For example: if God created a woman with the appearance of being 20 years old then that woman would not have parents and thus we could tell that she only appeared to be 20 years old. Another thing we would notice is that she wouldn't have a birthdate since she was never born. There would also be no records of her birth anywhere. She would be quite an abnormal woman with all of the history she was lacking.

Now consider a similar example except this time imagine God created a woman that was actually 20 years old. By actually being 20 years old this woman would have to have parents, a date of birth, a place of birth, a doctor and nurses that delivered her, and also many other things. But if God just created her how would she have these other things like a date of birth and parents? Well, God would have to create those other things at the same moment he created her. Except he would have to literally create them in such a way that things like her parents would have been on earth before her even though he is creating both of them at the same moment.

Thus the difference is that something with actual age has a complete history. Something with an appearance of age will not have a complete history. So God can create an object with a complete history at any time, he just has to go in and create its history at the same time he's creating it.

It is my opinion that the earth itself has an actual age. It is my opinoin that it has a complete history. For example: we know the "mother and father" of the hawaiian islands. They were created by volcanoes. However, we don't have a birthdate. The only date we have comes through extrapolation and extrapolation can never tell us whether something is apparent or actual because extrapolation is based only on the appearance of an object. So we can't say conclusively that the hawaiian islands are actually old and not just apparently old. That doesn't mean the hawaiian islands don't have a birthdate though.

I said all that to say this. Given the above reasoning and examples why is it impossible to think that God created a universe 10,000 years ago, but went back and filled in ALL its history over the last few billion years. And if he did that why would it be wrong to say the universe is 4 billion years old even though creation only happented 10,000 years ago?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Thus the difference is that something with actual age has a complete history. Something with an appearance of age will not have a complete history. So God can create an object with a complete history at any time, he just has to go in and create its history at the same time he's creating it.

Just another clever attempt to marry Biblical creation to evolution. However billions of years remain missing from the Biblical creation account, because despite human philosphy, God still did it in six days, just like He said.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Just another clever attempt to marry Biblical creation to evolution. However billions of years remain missing from the Biblical creation account, because despite human philosphy, God still did it in six days, just like He said.

And my explanation allows for a literal 6 day creation just like you want and for the earth to be billions of years old like it is.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

No I don't believe man came from apes.

I also know that your notions that reptiles formed feathers and wings is about as crazy as it gets.

Coelecant isn't extinct and still doesn't have feet. It was a lie. And you are very mad at it being exposed.

Hardly, ya loon. LOL.

There are many examples of "living fossils" in nature. It's just that no one had really plumbed the depths of the Agulhas Current until the 1950s and discovered the living descendants of the fossil coelacanth, so they had assumed (Jason's favorite word) that it must have gone extinct at some time.

I'd actually be happy if Brendan Fraser had really discovered dinosaurs alive somewhere on earth. That would be pretty cool AND it would not invalidate a single fact that we know about vertebrate evolution.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

http://www.answersingenesis.org/medi...o/ondemand/p/6

A former atheistic evolutionist professor speaks of his converion to crhristianity (and theistic evolution) to young earth (Biblical) creationism.

It's hard to tell who you mean here.

Jason Lisle was never an "atheist" - by his own account, which I'm willing to believe. And, Jason Lisle was NEVER an "evolutionist professor." He was fully converted as child. His bio almost boasts of this fact.

"Dr. Cary Parker" might be the guy you meant (a couple of videos down), except; for a "scientist" who claims to have "written five textbooks" he has left very little information of his activities behind. Searches for textbooks in any subject come up blank for a "Dr. Cary Parker" as he is identified on screen and for just plain ol' "Cary Parker."

Parker seems to be making references to DNA at one point early on (I can't hear what he's saying very clearly), so I looked for papers by a "Cary Parker" on PubMed and found none. I thought that a textbook author would surely have written some papers before being launched into such a grand career, but nada.

I did find a "Dr. Cary Parker" who was identified as a "Woods Hole oceanographer." Woods Hole is the world renown oceanic research center in Massachusetts. Is he your "Dr. Cary Parker?"

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Stargate reference

Any answer with the word "Stargate" in it, while kewl, will probably lack something in the area of "hard science." (Just who was that ditz they brought on at the end of the "Atlantis" series? Ugh!).

Originally Posted by jfrog

So the question is how can God create the earth 10,000 years ago but the earth also be billions of years old? It is my opinion that God is not limited to only being able to create objects with the appearance of age. It is my opinion that God is able to create objects with an actual age. What is the difference?

Well the most striking difference is that objects with an appearance of age are lacking some vital history. For example: if God created a woman with the appearance of being 20 years old then that woman would not have parents and thus we could tell that she only appeared to be 20 years old. Another thing we would notice is that she wouldn't have a birthdate since she was never born. There would also be no records of her birth anywhere. She would be quite an abnormal woman with all of the history she was lacking.

Now consider a similar example except this time imagine God created a woman that was actually 20 years old. By actually being 20 years old this woman would have to have parents, a date of birth, a place of birth, a doctor and nurses that delivered her, and also many other things. But if God just created her how would she have these other things like a date of birth and parents? Well, God would have to create those other things at the same moment he created her. Except he would have to literally create them in such a way that things like her parents would have been on earth before her even though he is creating both of them at the same moment.

Thus the difference is that something with actual age has a complete history. Something with an appearance of age will not have a complete history. So God can create an object with a complete history at any time, he just has to go in and create its history at the same time he's creating it.

Would this fictional history include a bellybutton for the lady?

Originally Posted by jfrog

It is my opinion that the earth itself has an actual age. It is my opinoin that it has a complete history. For example: we know the "mother and father" of the hawaiian islands. They were created by volcanoes. However, we don't have a birthdate. The only date we have comes through extrapolation and extrapolation can never tell us whether something is apparent or actual because extrapolation is based only on the appearance of an object. So we can't say conclusively that the hawaiian islands are actually old and not just apparently old. That doesn't mean the hawaiian islands don't have a birthdate though.

I said all that to say this. Given the above reasoning and examples why is it impossible to think that God created a universe 10,000 years ago, but went back and filled in ALL its history over the last few billion years. And if he did that why would it be wrong to say the universe is 4 billion years old even though creation only happented 10,000 years ago?

The "God as a fictional writer" theory troubles me.

We can ponder a lot of issues that end up with us all gazing into our own navels. However, I see this as germane to the question:

1) If I disregard the stop light during rush hour on the road that leads to the Interstate near my home I am LITERALLY road kill. Really, that intersection is crazy.

How have I survived? I have survived because 99.999% of my neighbors agree with me on the meaning of "GREEN" and "RED" lights.

Think about it. What keeps us from calling the green light "red" arbitrarily? And the arrangement? Who says "TOP/DOWN" has any REAL meaning when the surface of the earth at this latitude is so far from the plane of the planet's equatorial spin? AND, the plane of that spin is 23% tilted to plane of the earth's orbit around the sun. AND, who's to say that our arbitrary "NORTH IS 'UP'" has any bearing on the real directions in the cosmos?

Since this conundrum can be sorted out rather quickly when lives are at stake, imagine what sorts of consensus we can arrive at in scientific matters when lives are also at stake.

Our world exists. It has meaning. We can understand our world through careful and objective observation. We can measure it and quantify it in many other ways. It's here. It's real. If it appears to be something that it is not, and if God is the one responsible for the deception, then we will have to reevaluate our doctrines of God's morality and truthfulness. If it comes down to it, I'm willing to give the Almighty the benefit of the doubt and accept the world for what it is.

Giving God the "benefit of the doubt?" That's the first step toward faith for most people.