Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or no? - Page 47

MikeinAR · #**461** 07-01-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Again the word originally used for baptism has tons of meanings Rico. It could read like this, based upon the original word used....He that believeth and is drowned shall be saved....He that believeth and is dipped shall be saved....He that believeth and is washed.....there are more too. These are just a few. I think that all believers should be baptized, but no scripture I have read makes it manditory, but if I were to preach I would strongly urge it, but can not out of being honest with my self say you gotta in order to be saved, but because you are saved you oughta do it.

My position exactly on baptism. I participated in it, believe in it and advocate for it. I believe that any individual who has been convicted of their sin and drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit, then repents(changes their mind), acknowledges a need of Christ and Him only as means of reconciliation with God and with Godly sorrow asks to be redeemed by the only means possible, the precious blood of Christ, should identify publicly with Christ in baptism. It's an important, biblical step to following the Savior in obedience.

However, I simply cannot say with 100% certainty based on all scriptures in their context that someone who professes faith in Christ, like the thief, and yet doesn't follow through in baptism is condemned and damned to eternal hell.

Jack Shephard · #**462** 07-01-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are right, Rico. When I study out "believing" I see it too heads back to Acts 2:38.

after you believe and are saved one should obey Acts 2:38 because you are saved. Acts 2:38 is our response after accepting the gospel, what Jesus did for us.

Ron · #**463** 07-01-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Ron did you even read the whole chapter there? Cause that verse read by itself seems to say onething, but read the whole thing and you will see that at first glance what you saw is not actually there. nice try

I read it.

Rico · #**464** 07-01-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

What you said happened to you is not scriptural. God in all His wisdom removes sin when we ask, not when you are baptized. When you turn to Him and give your life to Him you change. The change in your life is made at the time of your choice to follow.

Uh, sorry, but you are wrong. You just have to believe and that's all.

Ron · #**465** 07-01-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

You don't get it. These folks think you get the Spirit the nanosecond you believe.

It must be true--that's what they said!

Jack Shephard · #**466** 07-01-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeinAR

My position exactly on baptism. I participated in it, believe in it and advocate for it. I believe that any individual who has been convicted of their sin and drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit, then repents(changes their mind), acknowledges a need of Christ and Him only as means of reconciliation with God and with Godly sorrow asks to be redeemed by the only means possible, the precious blood of Christ, should identify publicly with Christ in baptism. It's an important, biblical step to following the Savior in obedience.

However, I simply cannot say with 100% certainty based on all scriptures in their context that someone who professes faith in Christ, like the thief, and yet doesn't follow through in baptism is condemned and damned to eternal hell.

No reason you should there is no scripture that says one is condemned to hell if they don't. Salvation is free to those who receive it and the rest is up to us as a response to that gospel.

Ron · #**467** 07-01-2008, 04:15 PM

It is my sisters 48TH birthday today.
We are on our way to see her in the nursing home.

Have fun.

Jack Shephard · #**468** 07-01-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

I read it.

Wow and still you twist it around. Wow that is talent I must say.

Pressing-On · #**469** 07-01-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeinAR

My position exactly on baptism. I participated in it, believe in it and advocate for it. I believe that any individual who has been convicted of their sin and drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit, then repents(changes their mind), acknowledges a need of Christ and Him only as means of reconciliation with God and with Godly sorrow asks to be redeemed by the only means possible, the precious blood of Christ, should identify publicly with Christ in baptism. It's an important, biblical step to following the Savior in obedience.

However, I simply cannot say with 100% certainty based on all scriptures in their context that someone who professes faith in Christ, like the thief, and yet doesn't follow through in baptism is condemned and damned to eternal hell.

Did you think they might take him down off of the cross at that point of confession? I'm certain they wouldn't have, but as Jesus knew the man's heart and that he would have, given the opportunity, followed God's plan of salvation, He allowed him entrance.

"They that hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be fillled", is some very indicting scripture.

Do I think some Trinitarians will be saved, as has been the question on various posts? If they are like this Thief, I contend they could be.

Having said that, I know some Trinitarians that are wonderful, kind and God fearing people, but the minute you mention Jesus name baptism and the Holy Ghost infilling their heads turn faster than Linda Blair on the Exorcist. Ask me, I know.

Jack Shephard · #**470** 07-01-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Uh, sorry, but you are wrong. You just have to believe and that's all.

Belief is key, but stopping there is not getting all the God has for us.