Tulsa Report Day 2 - Page 47

RevBuddy · #**461** 01-28-2008, 07:38 AM

By the way, I spoke with a Tulsa attendee last night at church. The reported attendance of ministers (pastors, ministers, etc.) was 955. The rest was reported to be "wives and children." The important fact missing was - what organizations are these ministers affiliated with?

Felicity · #**462** 01-28-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RevBuddy

By the way, I spoke with a Tulsa attendee last night at church. The reported attendance of ministers (pastors, ministers, etc.) was 955. The rest was reported to be "wives and children." The important fact missing was - what organizations are these ministers affiliated with?

That was my question in a post a couple days ago. I would take for granted though that the majority were UPC.

Coonskinner · #**463** 01-28-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

No, then you'd have to by my nephew.

I may have to start calling you Aunt Pressy. Or maybe Aunty P.

Pressing-On · #**464** 01-28-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I may have to start calling you Aunt Pressy. Or maybe Aunty P.

Forget it, buddy!

Coonskinner · #**465** 01-28-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RevBuddy

By the way, I spoke with a Tulsa attendee last night at church. The reported attendance of ministers (pastors, ministers, etc.) was 955. The rest was reported to be "wives and children." The important fact missing was - what organizations are these ministers affiliated with?

The vast majority were UPC preachers, according to the accounts of some who were there.

A few GIB's, but not too many.

Coonskinner · #**466** 01-28-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Forget it, buddy!

What's wrong?

I think you are probably in the proper age bracket...and I have always treated my aunties well.

Steve Epley · #**467** 01-28-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

I can't figure out the reasoning in some posts... or some mindsets for that matter. It wouldn't matter what was said or how many angel's wings brushed by that morsel of truth on it's way to inhabit the atmosphere of Earth around us... some are a Master of disputing things that can't be proven.

So far we've learned that...

It can't be a genuine conviction because it's all about 'control'. Doesn't matter that some men really DO have convictions that they live by.
It can't be true that they actually submit to someone. Even if they say they do, well, they probably don't in real life.
It can't really be a move of God there in Tulsa. It has to be the hype of preaching standards that has them worked up into a frenzy.

You know, folks, these men are doing what you folks say can't be done. They are building sucessful Churches along the way. They evidently are doing something right as I've been to most of their Churches and they have Apostolic Church with a real move of God.

I just find it hard to imagine that they are being slaughtered on forums when any legitimate reasoning would tell us that these men all have 'corn in the crib'. It reminds me of a few years ago when the hurricane destroyed our Church and damaged so many homes in our city. Before we left there was a certain faction of people who kept claiming, "There ain't NO hurricane gonna reach us all the way up here!".

But it succeeded in spite of what men claimed.

No, I may not have been in Tulsa but I - and most everyone else I care enough to be around - agree with their right to do what they feel is right. And to judge the motives, claim to know more about their personal convictions then they, themselves, and to claim some discernment over the depth of their submission to a Pastor or spiritual authority... is arrogance of the highest order.

In this, Brethren, we do not well.

Elder thank you. I did not go to Tulsa and have no intention of joining. But these men as great expense and cost to themselves have made this step. Only time will tell the outcome. I wish them well as I do the godly men in the UPC.

Pressing-On · #**468** 01-28-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

The vast majority were UPC preachers, according to the accounts of some who were there.

A few GIB's, but not too many.

I will get the full report when our older son calls us this evening. His Board sent him to check it out. One thing I won't do is report what he says about it here.

Steve Epley · #**469** 01-28-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

I liked this post so much that I read it twice, and I usually only skim long posts. Sunni has made an eloquent plea for a more careful handling of men's names and reputations and I agree with her. Some of the criticisms of the men involved in the Tulsa movement have crossed the line of Scripturally acceptable conversation. We may judge actions, but only God may judge the heart.

Good words.