Should we teach others to rebel against standards?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Excellent!

No one is beyond hope.

I really appreciate your help EB. I want to do better, I just didn't know how. It may be hard for you technologically savvy people to understand. but technologically challenged is a thang.

[Amanah]

were you called of God when you were an apostolic minister? before you came to your current understanding of scripture?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

The point is not going against house rules, and I don't think the title for this thread explains it just the right way. But if a man that is pastoring refuses to teach scripture but adds to scripture, is he truly called of God? I don't think so. So are we really in rebellion?

Even Jesus taught us to beware of adding to scripture, it seems we are admonished not to take away from the meaning of scripture but we forget that to add to the meaning is just as bad.

I agree. But the reality is that adding to and diminishing ought from the scripture is such a powerful temptation.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Of course Chris, you are good, we are bad. You are high and lifted up, we are down cast and trodden under foot. That is why you have us as your fan base. You see you take the position to show us the error of our movement, but the question will always remain? What do you have in place for us to substitute for what we are currently in? Will you be my pastor? Will you lead me to soft green pastures? Bro, I can't see it. If you have what I need I guess either you do a bad job of relaying it, or you actually don't have the answers. What I do see is someone who had a different experience then I did. I'm still here making a go of it, while you got fired but want to hang around the office telling me how lousy the company is. Uh, wee wee wee, all the way home?




Really? I thought you said it was appalling?



No, you didn't give it to me. You gay it to Amanah, a sister, a female. It was a reply to a female. Got that?




Oh, so it wasn't appalling. You just pulled that out of the ether, because now you are mocking anyone who may of had a problem with it. Chris, have you ever heard the terminology "quit while you are ahead?" No I guess not. Please proceed.




This is good, so it is everyone else's fault when and if you get graphic?

Seriously?



No, far from it.

You aren't my idea of messenger of truth which is hard to swallow.

Will every messenger, or message, of Truth fit your idea of what one should be?

Most messengers of truth throughout the Scriptures were categorically rejected by their entire nation or entire communities, including the religious institutions of their day. They had few who agreed with them. Truth has a way of angering all parties involved.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Will every messenger, or message, of Truth fit your idea of what one should be?

Stop, one, you said what you posted was appalling. I have to give you credit, that you are amazingly good at steering away from your blunders. You are an artist when it comes to masking what anyone points out concerning your vulgarities. You have honed that and you know it. Go back and read your post, in any other Christian forum you would of been drawn and quartered by one and all. If you made that example over a pulpit to a congregation, you wouldn't of had to worry about getting your coat tail pulled. You would have the entire congregation shut you off, and then you would feel the icy blast of awkwardness felt by the saints. .

Originally Posted by Aquila

Most messengers of truth throughout the Scriptures were categorically rejected by their entire nation or entire communities, including the religious institutions of their day. They had few who agreed with them. Truth has a way of angering all parties involved.

Dude, you are as much a Biblical messenger of Truth as Barney the Purple Dinosaur, and Larry Flint. Sorry bro, but the prophets of old weren't graphically vulgar, and crass.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Amanah

were you called of God when you were an apostolic minister? before you came to your current understanding of scripture?

At the time I thought I was, but that is as much an allusion as anything else. I was formed by the teaching I was given also, which I found to be in error as much as anything else. If the standards were in error and much of what was called doctrine was in error how then can I be sure I was called of God to be a minister, because even what I thought was being called of God was in error. Maybe I was called of God to help straighten out false doctrine.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

At the time I thought I was, but that is as much an allusion as anything else. I was formed by the teaching I was given also, which I found to be in error as much as anything else. If the standards were in error and much of what was called doctrine was in error how then can I be sure I was called of God to be a minister, because even what I thought was being called of God was in error. Maybe I was called of God to help straighten out false doctrine.

thanks for your reply.

are you non denominational now?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Amanah

thanks for your reply.

are you non denominational now?

you could say that, My eldest daughter and husband are starting a work in out area, they are nondenominational if you could say that. The church they are out of was started in UPCI but pulled out in the early 90,s. Then became Ministerial Net, then Global, now the church is Overcomers Covenant. Affiliated with Mike Hayes church out of Texas.

As a side note I no longer see any of the so called standards in scripture nor many of the doctrines we taught I feel that the people that do are the Pharisee of today more concerned with the traditions of men that with the commandments of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Stop, one, you said what you posted was appalling. I have to give you credit, that you are amazingly good at steering away from your blunders. You are an artist when it comes to masking what anyone points out concerning your vulgarities. You have honed that and you know it. Go back and read your post, in any other Christian forum you would of been drawn and quartered by one and all. If you made that example over a pulpit to a congregation, you wouldn't of had to worry about getting your coat tail pulled. You would have the entire congregation shut you off, and then you would feel the icy blast of awkwardness felt by the saints. .

Dude, you are as much a Biblical messenger of Truth as Barney the Purple Dinosaur, and Larry Flint. Sorry bro, but the prophets of old weren't graphically vulgar, and crass.

This is just a strategy you use to draw attention away from the point made, and fire off a few personal insults in the process. Actually, I could eat your lunch on this, but I'm not sure if the forum could handle it. The Hebrew idioms and innuendoes in the OT are often quite mature in nature. Consider how Proverbs speaks of an adulteress, who commits adultery and wipes her mouth asking how is it that she sinned. And it gets worse. In fact, the NT even contains a bit of shocking language. For example,

Luke 13:32
And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

Most don't realize that the term "fox" was on the level of several examples I can't even post here because they would be too offensive.

And we haven't even touched the Song of Songs, which was considered so graphic by rabbinical scholars that it wasn't studied unless one was married, or over 30 (if memory serves me correctly).

Your notion that the Bible is some Victorian version of Mr. Roger's neighborhood is ill informed. And your false outrage is just designed to distract from the point made.

It's a shame that your so sheltered in your organization that you don't know these things.

And by drawing attention to something you might find offensive, plastering accusations about it everywhere, you are only spreading what you find so offensive. You're like the kid on the school ground who hears something and goes around telling everyone what someone said, taking joy in repeating it over and over and over and over, while hoping to get them in trouble. lol

And the sad thing is... I didn't say those things. Someone from a rather well known Apostolic organization said those things. lol And I even posted my rebuke. lol

P.S.
I'm not a preacher. Never gonna be. Don't want to be. So frankly, I can speak rather candidly about anything I wish. So some fear of a congregation getting all huffy and puffy over something I've said is no fear or concern of mine. And in house church, I can tell you, I've been impressed. Whenever the subjects have waxed mature, they handle it quite well. And most are able to comment freely about the issue. So it lacks the "shock" and feigned outrage that all the starchy dressed up folks would have during a Sunday show.

Also, consider this... there are things we might discuss on occasion that neither of us would bring up behind a pulpit. Not all of Scripture is designed to be preached in such a fashion.

When did we become so squeamish and wimpy?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Actually, I could eat your lunch on this, but I'm not sure if the forum could handle it.

Bro, you couldn't eat your own lunch, let alone anyone else's
What are you going to do? Tell us you were in the army again? Or, wait until you are having a discussion with a female poster and get graphic with her?

Song of Solomon?

Really?

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's a shame that your so sheltered in your organization that you don't know these things.

Figures that you would think something like that is shameful.

Good job at eating my lunch.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And by drawing attention to something you might find offensive, plastering accusations about it everywhere, you are only spreading what you find so offensive.

No Chris, that didn't happen. I not once quoted your stupid choice of words that some preacher supposedly posted to you. I just keep pointing it out to you. Because as I posted to you a hundred times. While jokers like you cry about outward standards not being Biblical. Your inside standard which no one can see, until it comes out your mouth, is really the true you. Or in this case in a post.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're like the kid on the school ground who hears something and goes around telling everyone what someone said, taking joy in repeating it over and over and over and over, while hoping to get them in trouble. lol

Chris, you are the kid, because you are the one caught in the crack. Hey, poor life choice. Don't blame me, after awhile you'll do it again. How long has it been since you posted your vulgar remark in the dress thread? Now we have the one supposedly from a rather well known Apostolic organization on Facebook?

Originally Posted by Aquila

And the sad thing is... I didn't say those things.

Another "kid" move. "I didn't say those things, Johnny said those things, I just repeated them?"

Originally Posted by Aquila

Someone from a rather well known Apostolic organization said those things. lol And I even posted my rebuke. lol

OK, you repeat the vulgarity to a female poster, then in an attempt of ecclesiastical chivalry you post how you took the evil individual from a rather well known Apostolic organization to task? Bravo sir, you are no one's hero.