Tithing…Is it a command?

[Sean]

As for questioning someone's love for God, if God is not God over all, then there is a need to question your love for Him. If you make God sovereign over everything but your money, if you still want to have control over your money, then He is not sovereign.

As for the command to have or build a building, you are right. But, that which we have, we have for the use of the glory of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is His, and He uses it for His glory.

I am not here to debate those who have a problem with the tithe. I was once one of you. I tried to fight the tithe. I will not turn this into a debate, simply because there is no debate. If God is sovereign, then tithing is not a problem. That principle is one that all believers should adhere to, because of the person of God.
I am not the pastor. i serve as an Assoc. Pastor. I received this revelation while I was seeking God, and His Spirit revealed this to me.
QUOTE UN TRADITIONAL.





Brother, respectfully. You are implying that if we dont tithe to the ministry of pastors, we do not love God. Please show me 1 scripture to prove this theory in the N.T.....I am serious. We have the REAL revelation here bro.> Tithing is unfounded in N.T., early church original Doctrine..... If you received a "personal" revelation that is not founded on N.T. scripture, you are teaching FALSE DOCTRINE to the saints and WOE IS YOU if you are. Jesus will not laugh with us in eternity about our teaching mistakes. Trust me, He will expect perfection from the teachers. They have a GREATER damnation if not corrected in this life....I say this in love, you need not teach that "tithing revelation" of yours or you will likely be lost.

2 Peter 2:3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters(teachers), knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

[UnTraditional]

If your tithe is to your pastor, then that is not right. But, if you give it as unto the Lord, that is a different story. Is not God worthy of the tithe? A straightforward question to the anti-tithers. Is God not worth the tenth that you hold back and use for yourself? Is your love for Him enough to give the tenth? You all seem to have a serious problem, actually two. One is with authority, because I keep hearing is a downgrade of pastors. Another is in how much your love is. I am trying not to be hard, but let me share something with you all.

My pastor receives no salary from the church. We provide an pastoral care for him and his wife, our co-pastor, once a month. They both are retired and give 100% to the ministry. I am honored to be under a man of God who leads by example. His witness lets me know that there is no underhanded schemes with him. And, I also know that the tithe is used for the work of the ministry, a ministry that is serving, loving, and teaching truth.

Now, I am gonna be as honest here as possible, but I really think some of you have had some bad pastors and this has degraded you spiritually. For this, I am sorry and pray you can be released from that chain on your life. It took a divine work of God for this to happen for me. But, you are using the past to downgrade all pastors, all leaders in the church, and this my friends is the root of this problem...

A spirit of rebellion.

When I pay my tithes, yes, I lay them in the hands of my pastor. I give it to the Lord through this. You all seem to have a pastor broke, burdened down, unable to pay any bills, and completely under the submission of the people. Let me tell you point blank, that this is a sign that there is a love problem here, and a spirit of rebellion as well, which are intertwined like a water vine choking a tree.

As for my scriptures, here are two that the Lord just dropped into my spirit...

Galatians 3 speaks of how Abraham was blessed before the Law, and how his faith was accounted to him as righteousness. Among his works was the paying of tithes to Melchizedek, the High Priest-King of Salem. Abraham was before the Law, and he gave the tithe. Now, if Abraham, who was righteous by faith and his works according to scripture, and we are made of the Seed of Abraham, Jesus Christ, should we not also tithe unto the Lord?

Second, 2Corinthians 9:6-7 admonishes a believer to give abundantly, cheerfully, and willingly. The best principle, a word I have used repeatedly in this discussion, which has been almost complete ignored, is the tithe. God uses the tithe to support the ministry of the Church and advancement of the Kingdom.

Please believe me in this. In times past, I have been where you were, most of you anyway. I did not buy into the anti-church building nonsense, but I was staunch anti-tithe. That was until the Spirit of Christ opened this revelation in scripture to me, and planted this seed of faith into my heart. It's there, and none of the anti-tithers will be able to pull it out. why? Because God did this through the Word and the Spirit.

[Jason B]

Bro. Price you are simply speaking straight nonsense.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

If your tithe is to your pastor, then that is not right. Brother, who is the actual recipient of the tithe here on earth. Jesus or the pastor?

But, if you give it as unto the Lord, that is a different story. Is not God worthy of the tithe? Where in the N.T. does it say that God receives the tithe?

A straightforward question to the anti-tithers. Is God not worth the tenth that you hold back and use for yourself? Is your love for Him enough to give the tenth? Yes, He is worth it, but He never required it, nor did the Apostles. But the modern pastor does.(cant you see the misapplication you are making?)

You all seem to have a serious problem, actually two. One is with authority, because I keep hearing is a downgrade of pastors. Another is in how much your love is. I am trying not to be hard, but let me share something with you all. I have no problem with authority, but TRUST in a lie is not negotiable. I will not follow a tradition based on Catholicism off of a cliff. A mans' trust is earned.

My pastor receives no salary from the church. We provide an pastoral care for him and his wife, our co-pastor, once a month. They both are retired and give 100% to the ministry. I am honored to be under a man of God who leads by example. His witness lets me know that there is no underhanded schemes with him. And, I also know that the tithe is used for the work of the ministry, a ministry that is serving, loving, and teaching truth. That is awesome about your pastor, it is scriptural however, inserting the tithe into your churches doctrine, which negates all of your pastors good works. False teachings will not go unpunished...

Now, I am gonna be as honest here as possible, but I really think some of you have had some bad pastors and this has degraded you spiritually. For this, I am sorry and pray you can be released from that chain on your life. It took a divine work of God for this to happen for me. But, you are using the past to downgrade all pastors, all leaders in the church, and this my friends is the root of this problem...I had the best pastor of the largest congregation in the UPC and mentor of mine for 20 plus years, I have a beef with the doctrine, not him. I finally got my head out of the clouds and started doing research about this doctrine for myself. He, and all Oneness pastors, with exception of few, teach this man made concept to naive saints. If you call this stuff to their attention, they just show us to the door.

A spirit of rebellion. You forgot to use the "bitterness" card here. That is what most preachers say when we confront them with their errors...

When I pay my tithes, yes, I lay them in the hands of my pastor. I give it to the Lord through this. Please show me the N.T. verse to explain this.

You all seem to have a pastor broke, burdened down, unable to pay any bills, and completely under the submission of the people. Let me tell you point blank, that this is a sign that there is a love problem here, and a spirit of rebellion as well, which are intertwined like a water vine choking a tree. We should be practicing freewill giving instead of tithing. Rebelling against FALSE TEACHING is not rebelling...it is commendable in the sight of our Lord

As for my scriptures, here are two that the Lord just dropped into my spirit...

Galatians 3 speaks of how Abraham was blessed before the Law, and how his faith was accounted to him as righteousness. Among his works was the paying of tithes to Melchizedek, the High Priest-King of Salem. Abraham was before the Law, and he gave the tithe. Now, if Abraham, who was righteous by faith and his works according to scripture, and we are made of the Seed of Abraham, Jesus Christ, should we not also tithe unto the Lord? Look at this one....Hebrews 7:5
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
The tithe was a commandment adopted into the Law of Moses and DISANNULLED for N.T. believers.

Second, 2Corinthians 9:6-7 admonishes a believer to give abundantly, cheerfully, and willingly. The best principle, a word I have used repeatedly in this discussion, which has been almost complete ignored, is the tithe. God uses the tithe to support the ministry of the Church and advancement of the Kingdom. Give abundantly YES, but tithing NO. It does NOT mention for us to tithe here.(Preachers have completely made that up)

Please believe me in this. In times past, I have been where you were, most of you anyway. I did not buy into the anti-church building nonsense, but I was staunch anti-tithe. That was until the Spirit of Christ opened this revelation in scripture to me, and planted this seed of faith into my heart. It's there, and none of the anti-tithers will be able to pull it out. why? Because God did this through the Word and the Spirit.

If the Lord has told you to give any type of a percentage of your income to the church, by all means do it. Just dont try to impose your non Biblical concepts on your fellow believers. The Lord Jesus expects perfection of our doctrines(this is His church). The tithing doctrine for the N.T. church is a stumblingblock to the world and many saints. You better fix this with our Lord if you want to be saved. I say this respectfully in love, not judgementally.

[HRea]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Bro. Price you are simply speaking straight nonsense.

Originally Posted by Sean

Just dont try to impose your non Biblical concepts on your fellow believers. God expects perfection of our doctrines. The tithing doctrine for the N.T. church...

O UnTraditional Bro. Price, just a word of caution, there are many who disregard and deny the scriptures, even when the scriptures are presented. If they believed the scriptures and diligently search them out, then they'd know:

- Tithes and offerings are 2 different methods of giving
- Tithes, in both old and new testaments, was/is God's provision for the ministry (Levites in the OT, ministry in the NT)
- Tithing is not grievous, but a partnership between the learner and their teacher
- Many of the principles established in the OT are applicable in the NT

(Ephesians 4:11-14, 1 Corinthians 12:28)

Galatians 6:6
6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings?
14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

Malachi 3:10a
10a Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce;

Originally Posted by Sean

When I pay my tithes, yes, I lay them in the hands of my pastor. I give it to the Lord through this. Please show me the N.T. verse to explain this.

Acts 5:1-5, if you will hear it...

Originally Posted by Sean

I say this respectfully in love, not judgementally.

Sure, let's disregard the strong language in your various posts.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

If your tithe is to your pastor, then that is not right. But, if you give it as unto the Lord, that is a different story. Is not God worthy of the tithe? A straightforward question to the anti-tithers. Is God not worth the tenth that you hold back and use for yourself? Is your love for Him enough to give the tenth? You all seem to have a serious problem, actually two. One is with authority, because I keep hearing is a downgrade of pastors. Another is in how much your love is. I am trying not to be hard, but let me share something with you all.

First when we give to the poor that is the same as giving to the Lord (Prov 19:17). When we help someone to buy groceries for their household, pay their electric bill, and the like we are honoring God (1 John 3:17) and when we do "unto the least of these" we do unto the Lord himself (Matt 25:40). To say nothing of giving to Christian ministries such as Voice of the Martyrs, World Vision, Samaritans Purse, etc. The same could be said about giving to missionaries. Giving to GOD does not have to go through a pastor or a local church.

God didn't command us to build expensive buildings, to fill them up with expensive sound equipment and outrageous utility bills. He didn't callus to turn the church into a corporation. I'm not against buildings, equipment, or air conditioning, but if we can't afford to support them with the generous freewill gifts of the congregation, then we don't need them.

As for your nonsensical question "Is God not worthy of the tithe?" I would ask you is God only worthy of the tithe (10%)? Is He not worthy of 20%? 50%? 100%? So if our giving to God is only what we think He is worth why do you have such a low view of the Almighty? Your arguments are simply emotional based and classic poor OP logic.

As for your assertion about problems with pastoral authority, please take into consideration I am a pastor.

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

My pastor receives no salary from the church.

Neither do I. I work a secular job. I have a nice home, a nice vehicle, am blessed and able to take nice vacations. I have never received a cent from the church. I am healthy, I have a good job, why burden the church?

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Now, I am gonna be as honest here as possible, but I really think some of you have had some bad pastors and this has degraded you spiritually.

This is rich. Classic OP blame the "victim". There's always a "somebodies done somebody wrong" theory. What if, just perhaps by chance, people actually came to their conclusions by........reading the scripture? And regardless of whether or not anyone had a bad experience or not with tithing it has no bearing on whether or not the scriptures teach believers to tithe.

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

For this, I am sorry and pray you can be released from that chain on your life. It took a divine work of God for this to happen for me. But, you are using the past to downgrade all pastors, all leaders in the church, and this my friends is the root of this problem...

A spirit of rebellion.

I sense a spirit of pride. A spirit that desires to assign motives to those one has never met and condemn them. A desire to Lord it over the people of God.

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

When I pay my tithes, yes, I lay them in the hands of my pastor.

Bravo. Assuming your pastor is not a Levite and you don't attend church at the Temple, I'm not sure where you ever got the idea to do this. It certainly wasn't in the scripture......

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I give it to the Lord through this. You all seem to have a pastor broke, burdened down, unable to pay any bills, and completely under the submission of the people.

I have a public facebook profile. See if not receiving the tithe has burdened me down and made me unable to pay bills. I find a much clearer teaching in Ephesians 4:28 "Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. " I've found that God blesses me much more when I give, so why do I need to worry about receiving?

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

As for my scriptures, here are two that the Lord just dropped into my spirit...

This is making me uncomfortable......

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Galatians 3 speaks of how Abraham was blessed before the Law, and how his faith was accounted to him as righteousness. Among his works was the paying of tithes to Melchizedek, the High Priest-King of Salem. Abraham was before the Law, and he gave the tithe. Now, if Abraham, who was righteous by faith and his works according to scripture, and we are made of the Seed of Abraham, Jesus Christ, should we not also tithe unto the Lord?

Before commenting I can't help but see your tremendous misrepresentation of Abraham being justified by faith AND HIS WORKS. His works were an extension of His faith. His works didn't justify Him (Gen 15:6 and Romans 4 make that abundantly clear) and James 2 simply teaches that because Abraham had true/living faith his works bore it out.

So we should ignore the clear teaching of scripture because you've connected the dots for us? Sounds more like Gnosticism.

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Second, 2Corinthians 9:6-7 admonishes a believer to give abundantly, cheerfully, and willingly. The best principle, a word I have used repeatedly in this discussion, which has been almost complete ignored, is the tithe. God uses the tithe to support the ministry of the Church and advancement of the Kingdom.

Brother I just do not see how you can make such a leap. NO ONE here would argue that a believer should give abundantly (according to what we have, not according to what we do not have), cheerfully, and willingly. However to force "tithe" into 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 is simply your own private interpretation.

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Please believe me in this. In times past, I have been where you were, most of you anyway. I did not buy into the anti-church building nonsense, but I was staunch anti-tithe. That was until the Spirit of Christ opened this revelation in scripture to me, and planted this seed of faith into my heart. It's there, and none of the anti-tithers will be able to pull it out. why? Because God did this through the Word and the Spirit.

This reminds me of the famous Joyce Meyer quote "The Bible doesn't even say this, God's got to put it in your spirit like He put it in mine."

Ummm. No.

You do not base your arguments on scripture (with the exception of private interpretation, not Biblical exegesis) and so they are to be rejected. If you choose to tithe, do so, and I believe the Lord will bless you, but not because you are giving 10%, but because you are giving, period. However you have no scriptural grounds for teaching other believers to do this, EVEN in your local assembly. And when you call other believer rebellious for not tithing, you are doing nothing less than usurping the judgment seat of Christ.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by HRea

O UnTraditional Bro. Price, just a word of caution, there are many who disregard and deny the scriptures, even when the scriptures are presented.

Did I miss something? I don't recall seeing much of scripture and certainly not a solid scriptural argument for tithing. If one was presented please tell me what # post.

Originally Posted by HRea

If they believed the scriptures and diligently search them out, then they'd know:

- Tithes and offerings are 2 different methods of giving

Indeed. Sin offering, burnt offering, peace offering, meat offering, etc. Most of the offerings were not money either. If you want a monetary offering in the old testament you'd have to look under the subheading of "FREEWILL offering". And what a coincidence that when we get to the NT the only momentary offerings we see are....freewill (i.e. no fixed %, not in response to pressure-2 Corinthians 9:7-NLT).

Originally Posted by HRea

- Tithes, in both old and new testaments, was/is God's provision for the ministry (Levites in the OT, ministry in the NT)

Where did Paul teach the Gentiles to tithe? In which of his epistles did he even mention the tithe?

Originally Posted by HRea

- Tithing is not grievous,

That is not a universal truth. For some it is not, for others it is a huge burden.

Originally Posted by HRea

but a partnership between the learner and their teacher

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Originally Posted by HRea

- Many of the principles established in the OT are applicable in the NT

True. Principles. That is the key word. When you guys rip tithing out of the OT change it into money, conveniently teach that you you be the recipient, and those who fail to pay the "whole tithe" are rebellious, disqualified for ministry, or outright condemned to eternal hell, then that is not a principle, it is a law. And it is an addition to the gospel and cheapens the sacrifice of Christ.

Originally Posted by HRea

Galatians 6:6
6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches.

Where does this scripture teach tithing?

Originally Posted by HRea

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings?
14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

Where do these scriptures teach tithing? These scriptures do teach that a minister can be supported, but say nothing of a universal percentage all believers are required to give.

Originally Posted by HRea

Malachi 3:10a
10a Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house.

Why not just use the whole passage? Then read the promises and curses in Deuteronomy 28, and Solomons prayer in 2 Chronicles, and the fact that throughout the Old Testament tithes were never monetary, and the offerings spoken of in Malachi 3 are not freewill offerings, but the offerings found in the first 7 chapters of Leviticus. The fact the promise for God to open the windows of heaven had to do with rain (directly tied to the covenant promises in Deut 28) the devourer is not Satan, but is in fact locusts and other pest that destroy the crop, and the store house is not the local church (or more accurately-their bank account) but an actual building in the temple precincts, and since God's promises had to do with rain and harvests it actually was possible for them to receive a blessing that the store house couldn't handle. How many times has a church or tither had to say "please God stop the blessing. Please people stop giving. We can't contain this." My guess is never.

But on the flip side according to the tithing doctrine God is obligated to bless those who tithe with a blessing they can't contain. I ministered alongside a pastor at one time who would frequently asked tithers "Have you been able to contain the blessing yet?" Many (if not most) people who believe in tithing never see the supposed promise blessing. Is God a liar or is man misrepresenting Him and His promise to Israel by twisting the scripture?

Originally Posted by HRea

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce;

Context.

Originally Posted by HRea

Acts 5:1-5, if you will hear it...

If you will hear it:

Acts 5:4 The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God!” (NLT)

Tithing wasn't the issue, in fact Ananias and Sapphira gave much more than 10% (perhaps even 50%). The issue was their dishonesty. If they would have sold the field and only given 5%, but had been honest, their lives would have been spared. According to the words of Peter 1)they didn't even have to sell it in the first place 2)after selling it, the money was theirs to do what they wanted and to give what they wanted.

PS-I like your avatar pic.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by HRea

O UnTraditional Bro. Price, just a word of caution, there are many who disregard and deny the scriptures, even when the scriptures are presented. If they believed the scriptures and diligently search them out, then they'd know:

- Tithes and offerings are 2 different methods of giving
- Tithes, in both old and new testaments, was/is God's provision for the ministry (Levites in the OT, ministry in the NT)....Chapter and verse for N.T. please...
- Tithing is not grievous, but a partnership between the learner and their teacher....Giving is, but not tithing.
- Many of the principles established in the OT are applicable in the NT,,,,It only works if you believe we are under "partial Law"

(Ephesians 4:11-14, 1 Corinthians 12:28)

Galatians 6:6
6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. Amen, giving is commended by the Lord and the Apostles, but tithing is unfounded in N.T. scripture.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings?
14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel. Absolutely, we give freely as we should, but as I keep saying, there is NO MENTION of how much we are to give. Selfish men have "inserted" tithing.

Malachi 3:10a
10a Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Old Testament Law verse...

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; Old Testament Law verse....




Acts 5:1-5, if you will hear it...No mention of tithing again, you have just imagined it...




Sure, let's disregard the strong language in your various posts.

Brother, I only say this as a "soul winner" and out of love. If I did not love you guys I would not try to convince you of the error of your ways.


James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

If you are teaching false doctrine, James calls you a SINNER....If somebody is able to help you correct your error, there will be great reward for both parties.

[HRea]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Did I miss something? I don't recall seeing much of scripture and certainly not a solid scriptural argument for tithing.

Yes, in recent previous pages I and others had posted several passages concerning this. But the thread is quite long, so you're excused from missing where these were posted.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Where did Paul teach the Gentiles to tithe? In which of his epistles did he even mention the tithe?

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

These scriptures do teach that a minister can be supported, but say nothing of a universal percentage all believers are required to give.

Let me take exception with your interpretation of the phrase "the Lord commanded...". This is not a suggestion, this is not "can be supported", this is a command of our Lord. In verse 13, the OT method is used as a pattern, and the Lord brings it forward into the NT "in the same way"

In addition, Paul instructs the Galatians, that they have an obligation to the one who teaches them.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Why not just use the whole passage?

Because of the penchant of people to focus on the blessing and cursing instead of the intent. The purpose of the tithes wasn't to buy blessing from the Lord, but to provide for the ministry. The very first focus of the Lord's charge here is that there be food in His house. God doesn't need food and provisions, but his servants do. And it's from the tithe that God has ordained his servants to be provided for.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The fact that throughout the Old Testament tithes were never monetary, and the offerings spoken of in Malachi 3 are not freewill offerings

Obedience to the Lord's command (1 Corinthians 9:14) is not dependent on form. Regardless of money versus whatever, are you obedient to the command?

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Tithing wasn't the issue

Actually what was at issue was that Ananias and Sapphira that they were giving to man, when they were actually giving it to God. Many may argue that giving in an offering plate, a box, or at the alter is giving to man; but that misconception was Ananias and Sapphira downfall when they brought a deceitful offering and God was there to receive it.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

PS-I like your avatar pic.

Thanks. It's meant to convey the idea of a ship on stormy seas, but the Lord (the bright clouds) is close at hand, do not fear or be dismayed.

[HRea]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, I only say this as a "soul winner" and out of love. If I did not love you guys...

Many have demonstrated over and again that they have a huge problem with giving to support the ministry. So much so that they are willing to disobey a command of the Lord.

Both Galatians 6:6 and 1 Corinthians 9:14 are not talking about "freewill offerings" but directly supporting the NT ministry. In fact, 1 Corinthians 9:14 makes it a command of the Lord, not mine, but the Lord. You must reconcile yourself to this, its between you and God if you chose not to obey these two very evident passages.

You better pay attention to the OT scriptures because they part of our very foundation. The Law, as many know, is not found in Proverbs or Malachi, but in the books of Moses. You cannot wave your hand and say that this passage or that passage doesn't pertain, they very much pertain.

Proverbs 3:9 is not part of the Law, but is a book of instruction that Paul said was part of our foundation. Malachi, of course, is part of the prophets.